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    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaecilius View Post
    It's not about validation, it's about reach. Forum posts giving an opinion are a dime a dozen, but the most popular FFXIV content creators have megaphones that Yoshida and the dev team cannot ignore quite as easily.
    I still don't understand why anyone even a Dev would care what a content creator has to say or deem that their opinions hold more sway than those of the playerbase or their own team, maybe its just me but I don't understand it.

    How it looks to me, and I am not a people person people genuinely frighten me with all those emotions and things but it basically looks to me as if guy says something is shit goes searching for someone to agree with him just so he can say im right your wrong and invalidates anyone elses opinion soley on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    I still don't understand why anyone even a Dev would care what a content creator has to say or deem that their opinions hold more sway than those of the playerbase or their own team, maybe its just me but I don't understand it.
    Doesn't matter if you understand it or not. The only thing that matters is that the devs and Yoshi P DO care. You don't have to like it. Other people don't have to like it. We could all collectively sit here scratching our heads in confusion and absolutely hating it... Doesn't change the truth of the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    I still don't understand why anyone even a Dev would care what a content creator has to say or deem that their opinions hold more sway than those of the playerbase or their own team, maybe its just me but I don't understand it.

    How it looks to me, and I am not a people person people genuinely frighten me with all those emotions and things but it basically looks to me as if guy says something is shit goes searching for someone to agree with him just so he can say im right your wrong and invalidates anyone elses opinion soley on that.
    The answer to that is literally in this very thread, with people talking about how Content Creators have sway over their audience. When the biggest XIV creator starts saying negative things about your game, despite the amount of people going "I'm a free thinker, and won't let their opinion affect me!", there's a major chunk of people who either share that opinion already, are on the fence, able to be swayed, or will just agree with everything their "queen" says about the game. So when content creators start slamming your game in public, you NEED to listen. Because now it's someone with an impressionable audience spreading opinions about your game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    The answer to that is literally in this very thread, with people talking about how Content Creators have sway over their audience. When the biggest XIV creator starts saying negative things about your game, despite the amount of people going "I'm a free thinker, and won't let their opinion affect me!", there's a major chunk of people who either share that opinion already, are on the fence, able to be swayed, or will just agree with everything their "queen" says about the game. So when content creators start slamming your game in public, you NEED to listen. Because now it's someone with an impressionable audience spreading opinions about your game.
    I mean, you don't have to look any further than a lot of the battle design we've seen in DT for proof they're listening to the feedback. Smaller hitboxes are back, dungeon and overall fight design are more creative than they've been in years and years. The main thing content creators and the community as a whole complained about in Endwalker aside from the content drought, was the fight design. So I'd actually be surprised if the story didn't see improvements in the future after all the complaints about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angienessyo View Post
    I mean, you don't have to look any further than a lot of the battle design we've seen in DT for proof they're listening to the feedback. Smaller hitboxes are back, dungeon and overall fight design are more creative than they've been in years and years. The main thing content creators and the community as a whole complained about in Endwalker aside from the content drought, was the fight design. So I'd actually be surprised if the story didn't see improvements in the future after all the complaints about it.
    This.
    The developpers are listening to feedback so I also believe they will adjust the writing of the MSQ down the line. After all, it is one (if not THE) selling aspect of the game when people recommend this game to their friends in a lot of the cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    Doesn't matter if you understand it or not. The only thing that matters is that the devs and Yoshi P DO care. You don't have to like it. Other people don't have to like it. We could all collectively sit here scratching our heads in confusion and absolutely hating it... Doesn't change the truth of the matter.
    The question is whether the developers care about the specific opinions of the content creators, or if they care about how content creators represent the game to their viewers. The difference is subtle but important.

    Based on the all the comments YoshiP made to Zepla during the media tour general Q&A per the way she recounted it, he seems to be more interested in the latter. The "thank you for the video" was just a lead in to "don't do it that way in the future".

    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    The answer to that is literally in this very thread, with people talking about how Content Creators have sway over their audience. When the biggest XIV creator starts saying negative things about your game, despite the amount of people going "I'm a free thinker, and won't let their opinion affect me!", there's a major chunk of people who either share that opinion already, are on the fence, able to be swayed, or will just agree with everything their "queen" says about the game. So when content creators start slamming your game in public, you NEED to listen. Because now it's someone with an impressionable audience spreading opinions about your game.
    The door swings both ways. Content creators can have sway over the sheep in their audience that look to content creators to form their opinions for them but content creators many times adjust what they present to please their viewers (or to please those who have influence over whether they get to attend high publicity events).

    I don't think any of the FFXIV content creators has such a large audience that any spread of opinions is going to reach very far let alone influence a significant number of players and/or potential new players. But I understand that someone who relies on content creator opinions to validate their own would believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Based on the all the comments YoshiP made to Zepla during the media tour general Q&A per the way she recounted it, he seems to be more interested in the latter. The "thank you for the video" was just a lead in to "don't do it that way in the future".
    Except it was far from being "just a lead in". Even if the delivery in her video was not stellar, her criticism was valid. Yoshi-P was thankful for it because it highlighted and helped bring the many deficiencies of the expansion to the developers' attention. And they listened. He knew that she was not alone in thinking this way and he quite literally told her that.

    To add to this, having that video out helped the community at large not to be afraid to speak their mind about the state of the game if they felt critical of it. It's no secret that criticisms of the game were frowned upon, which prevented people from speaking up, fearing backlash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dranni View Post
    To add to this, having that video out helped the community at large not to be afraid to speak their mind about the state of the game if they felt critical of it. It's no secret that criticisms of the game were frowned upon, which prevented people from speaking up, fearing backlash.
    If they fear speaking up, then they need to grow a backbone as an adult. While there are some very vocal people who frown on criticisms of the game, most are adults that don't have a problem with opposing opinions.

    No one should let those who are intolerant live rent free in their head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If they fear speaking up, then they need to grow a backbone as an adult. While there are some very vocal people who frown on criticisms of the game, most are adults that don't have a problem with opposing opinions.

    No one should let those who are intolerant live rent free in their head.
    Your response displays a complete lack of empathy. Not everyone is an alpha type that can withstand an angry mob of players ready to crucify anyone daring to criticize the game.

    Zepla's video gave these people a voice and showed them they were not alone in how they felt about the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dranni View Post
    Your response displays a complete lack of empathy. Not everyone is an alpha type that can withstand an angry mob of players ready to crucify anyone daring to criticize the game.

    Zepla's video gave these people a voice and showed them they were not alone in how they felt about the game.
    It's not a lack of empathy. I was them in the past.

    Fortunately, I had someone that showed me that there was nothing to fear if I stood up for myself and my opinions. That we do have ways to deal with those who get enraged by those that express a dissenting opinion. That they aren't worth the headspace that could be used for better purposes than worrying about what a waste of human being is going to say.

    I appreciated the blunt honestly. It might have been a difficult road at first but it was far better for me than those who would pat me on the head and sugarcoat things while doing nothing to support me in improving my circumstances.

    No one should fear expressing their opinion whether popular or unpopular.
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