Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Balmung_Griffin]

Well Wuk Lamat was the counterpart to the Boss so it makes sense to include her. I certainly thought it was cool....but then again i wasn able to play much anyway as the two tank soloed the trial after the team went down at 60% health. xD
So it atleast became more interessting at that point.

I don't agree, they've tried to replicate Gaia and Ryne (and that one made sense because Gaia and Ryne had opposing elements) but it didn't work.

Wuk Lamat should not have that power level at all, we're saying she's topping Estinien which is completely absurd.
If it was a scene where her voice reached Sphene it would be okay, breaking through dimensions is not.

[Ayalu]

I don't agree, they've tried to replicate Gaia and Ryne (and that one made sense because Gaia and Ryne had opposing elements) but it didn't work.

Wuk Lamat should not have that power level at all, we're saying she's topping Estinien which is completely absurd.
If it was a scene where her voice reached Sphene it would be okay, breaking through dimensions is not.

While a bit weird, we were in a digital space and not really flesh and blood so i thought that made it possible.
Tbh i was more confused about our usual "We summon the other Warriors of Light" trick actualy worked in this place.

[Alleluia]

I don't agree, they've tried to replicate Gaia and Ryne (and that one made sense because Gaia and Ryne had opposing elements) but it didn't work.

Wuk Lamat should not have that power level at all, we're saying she's topping Estinien which is completely absurd.
If it was a scene where her voice reached Sphene it would be okay, breaking through dimensions is not.

Also, Krile and G'raha, what? Don't care enough about us to dynamis their way back into the arena, too? G'raha?

And, while I see the parallels of both being queens with Wuk Lamat, G'raha and Krile have their connections to Sphene that could have been expounded upon and used too.

Krile is literally one of her people, having been born in Alexanrdria. And G'raha was a ruler who had to guide his people through an apocalypse on a dying world for a century, which arguably means Sphene should have related to him more than Wuk Lamat.

The bonding and writing spotlight should have been spread around.

[MeteorShan]

In 6.55 it's visibly shown to us that she can barely handle a large talking parrot and is physically shaking due to her nerves and lack of combat prowess. So regardless of her having been previously trained by the Dawnservant Gulool Ja Ja, she is quite blatantly lacking in the combat department. During the initial level 90 MSQ quests at the start of Dawntrail, whilst each claimant is walking out one at a time from the palace, it is widely stated and recognised by other NPCs that she is significantly weaker in combat than the rest and has no achievements to her name. Then at level 90 MSQ during the Hanuhanu quests, Wuk attacks Bakool Ja Ja when he's threatening to destroy the Hanuhanu float. She literally says "I attacked him with everything I had" after he has blocked her and knocked her back with ridiculous ease, she's probably the equivalent of an average Marauder from the Marauder's guild in Limsa, nothing more.

The fact that she then steamrolls him at level 94 MSQ in the solo instance mentioned above is a complete joke, I was expecting her to at least have the presence of mind to stand aside and let us have that solo instance to toy with Bakool Ja Ja as we put him down. The only reason she is capable of this fight herself is plot armour and terrible writing.

THEN in the second half of the story, where she has absolutely no place being due to the fact she has zero experience of dealing with world ending catastrophes or any level of technological knowledge that could prove some insight or be helpful, she can somehow match Zarool Ja in hand to hand combat and destroy his soul regulator. This is beyond obscene as Zarool Ja had earlier defeated Bakool Ja Ja in a MSQ 92 cutscene with one attack, whilst holding back on the advice of Sareel Ja. Furthermore, Zarool Ja has also had an extra 30 years of combat training along with possessing vastly advanced weaponry and armour. He would be able to just one shot her without even trying, the power scaling in Dawntrail for their Mary Sue / Blackhole Sue is inexcusable, simply believing in yourself and "the Power of Peace" does not make you a vastly more proficient fighter I'm afraid.

Furthermore, she is practically put into the position of team leader during the final two zones, navigating us through this catastrophe when in reality she wouldn’t have a clue what was going on or what to do.

And then the final fight she of course has to burst in midway through (a lame copy of Thancred & Gaia in SHB plus Zenos in EW) and having dreadful pleading dialogue with SPEEEEEEN, tanks a full blown hit from Sphene with no issue and can practically solo the final trial on her own, becoming a god level killer for no logical reason whilst giving us, the Warrior of Light, a buff just due to her “inspiring presence”. At this point I think we can agree that the Warrior of Light gave in to despair and we swore under our breath at Emet-Selch for recommending us to seek the fabled golden cities of the New World…

[Nyxs]

Also, Krile and G'raha, what? Don't care enough about us to dynamis their way back into the arena, too? G'raha?

And, while I see the parallels of both being queens with Wuk Lamat, G'raha and Krile have their connections to Sphene that could have been expounded upon and used too.

Krile is literally one of her people, having been born in Alexanrdria. And G'raha was a ruler who had to guide his people through an apocalypse on a dying world for a century, which arguably means Sphene should have related to him more than Wuk Lamat.

The bonding and writing spotlight should have been spread around.

Exactly this! G’raha went through the exact thing but didnt get to do much. But they throw the annoying character in front of us constantly. Who even wanted this?

People go on about “we are just there to mentor” So we mentor by just being in the background till the last fight where we do all the work then still dont get credit for it? But also get asked to stay there because even Woke Lapoop knows she is a failure without us or Koana. How are they expecting her to help raise the little guy when she cant even take care of herself or her people.

[Vyrerus]

Also, Krile and G'raha, what? Don't care enough about us to dynamis their way back into the arena, too? G'raha?

And, while I see the parallels of both being queens with Wuk Lamat, G'raha and Krile have their connections to Sphene that could have been expounded upon and used too.

Krile is literally one of her people, having been born in Alexanrdria. And G'raha was a ruler who had to guide his people through an apocalypse on a dying world for a century, which arguably means Sphene should have related to him more than Wuk Lamat.

The bonding and writing spotlight should have been spread around.

Amen to this.

Honestly, the way Wuk Lamat forcefully stays front and center in this story seems like a pointed offensive against player mindsets. It's like they are attempting to smash people's conception that the WoL is the main character of FFXIV by giving us this NPC who has the mask of being a main character, but none of what actually sells a main character.

Like her leaping into the fight to help WoL is practially a countdown to ending the fight, as much damage as she's doing/buffing the WoL to do, and it happens in the latter half of the fight... When Sphene was already on a back foot.

But I guess this trend of the WoL, "needing help" started back in Shadowbringers, and Shadowbringers was so successful they've sought to copy it twice now with how end trial fights resolve. Azem Stone into 8 man WoL team into villain nearly beats them with his big attack, into the WoL getting hypercharged by powers outside of the fight.

In Hades's fight, it was the Lightwarden light combining with The Blessing Light to both shield and increase damage from the WoL team. In Endwalker it's the Prayer bubble from the Scions that save WoL from Meteion's death surge of Dynamis. In Dawntrail... WoL is beating Sphene like a redheaded stepchild, and Wuk Lamat steps in anyway, super buffed, super buffing WoL and it goes from a murder to, "Stop, stop, she's already dead!"

[ArcturusWhisper]

Amen to this.
But I guess this trend of the WoL, "needing help" started back in Shadowbringers, and Shadowbringers was so successful they've sought to copy it twice now with how end trial fights resolve. Azem Stone into 8 man WoL team into villain nearly beats them with his big attack, into the WoL getting hypercharged by powers outside of the fight.

In Hades's fight, it was the Lightwarden light combining with The Blessing Light to both shield and increase damage from the WoL team. In Endwalker it's the Prayer bubble from the Scions that save WoL from Meteion's death surge of Dynamis. In Dawntrail... WoL is beating Sphene like a redheaded stepchild, and Wuk Lamat steps in anyway, super buffed, super buffing WoL and it goes from a murder to, "Stop, stop, she's already dead!"

The Dev team seems like a cargo cult of Shadowbringers now, wanting to copy everything Shadowbringers have done, not realizing what and why things work in Shadowbringers. Somehow they seem to think things that happen don't have to make sense on their own, just superficially resemble what has happened in Shadowbringers and people will just like it.