Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[ReynTime]

The sad thing is that I really believe Wuk could've been an interesting character with some good development and story. Unfortunately, for me personally anyway, the story presented Wuk Lamat as a "Black Hole Sue" of sorts from start to finish.

Even if, as some people say, "Dawntrail is Wuk Lamat's expansion and story", many of the situations and confrontations that occur are presented very specifically to accommodate and reward Wuk's specific actions/way of thinking, with most resulting in "perfect" resolutions and outcomes always in her favor.

As much as I love my boy Bakool Ja Ja, you're not going to convince me that after kidnapping Wuk to take her keystone, releasing Valigarmanda for literally no reason other then essentially "because I can", and literally saying that Wuk's birth father was going to be killed after Wuk loses in 1 on 1 combat against him, alongside some other basic villain things like pulling his weapons out against civilians to strike them down and constantly blocking the feat paths, that after just a few bonks on the heads with an axe, one sad story that our WoL LITERALLY says to not use as an excuse for what he's done, and ONE short heart to heart talk with Wuk, they are now friends and everyone around just goes "Okay, he's forgiven." The fact Alisaie even says "Well, maybe it's for the best. Hatred is exhausting, after all" right after along with Wuk saying all her anger just disappeared effortlessly caused me some bad whiplash at how insanely sudden the 180 was both done and resolved with an absolutely perfect outcome.

I will say though, overall, I really did enjoy Dawntrail. Once I quickly figured out early on to turn my brain off when it came to Wuk Lamat in anyway.

The reaction of every NPC and character in Dawntrail is basically this:

[ZXN]

The reaction of every NPC and character in Dawntrail is basically this:

Ahhh, the good ol "Kingdom Hearts Experience" Series by Stickman Sham. A good watch. I cannot wait for the entirety of the Post MSQ for Dawntrail to be the same as regular MSQ, or somehow even more cursed.

[Remember_The_Name]

if this is any previous expansion, that scene usually 100% dead, granted i havent finished the main story yet so maybe he got some important role later, but i just cant think that this expansion it really felt got "disneyfy" a lot

And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

[Karious]

So who the hell were the other dragons that flew in with Vrtra to help defend the city? He doesn't have any dragon brood of his own.

[Raven2014]

So who the hell were the other dragons that flew in with Vrtra to help defend the city? He doesn't have any dragon brood of his own.

I always assume any of the first brood have a fly of their own even if we don't see them, and there is his sister's brood as well.

I doubt any of the first brood is a virgin over ten thousands of years.

[Lorika]

And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

There is a saying that goes like that :if you want to hide a tree, hide it in a forest.
Meaning : the more obvious place are often dismissed by thief.... Because "nah than can't be here, it would be foolish"

[arstoka]

... -snip-

Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.

The scene honestly just undermined any actual possible tension for the second half. Square once again couldn't pull the trigger by killing off a somewhat established character.

As cheap a death as it would have been, it might, just MIGHT, have added some weight to Zoraal Ja's actions instead of his kill count being Soreel Ja, Goulul Ja Ja and...several npcs. This isn't to undermine his "evilness" but it certainly could have shown him as much more ruthless. (Also no one really knows that Soreel Ja was killed as far as the narrative is concerned.)

[gumas]

Your thoughts are more on the money than you think. Especially when you get further. Let's just say, you're going to find out how Disney it really is. To the point of an actual reference.

With all the "family friendly" treatment in this exoansion, iam surprised we didnt get singing cutscene

I can imagine wuk lamat singing let it go or a whole new world in tuliyollal from her balcony "castle" lol

[Alchemii]

With all the "family friendly" treatment in this exoansion, iam surprised we didnt get singing cutscene

I can imagine wuk lamat singing let it go or a whole new world in tuliyollal from her balcony "castle" lol

See the problem with the "family friendly" thing is... You have to get past all the definitely not family friendly stuff that came before it. Like the scene where that one Military Leader "Rubber Bulleted" himself just off screen, and we could see the end results on the wall and flag that were behind him.

[ApolloGenX]

I'm still fairly early in the MSQ and it's a bit boring...and I don't blame Wuk.....at this point