Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Sequora]

well, pct have party's utility + raid buff
picto should be a bit behind RPR/DRG/NIN/etc

for the caster spot, group will need to choose between : blm = max damage (and by max damage, I mean blm adps > picto rdps), pct = high damage with utility, smn = low dmg but rez, rdm = very low damage but free rez

for the highest adps class, to my mind it should be : viper (hard positional + no shield) > blm (long cast + lack of mobility) > sam (shield + less positional to do compared to viper), but it's just my opinion, as long as those 3 have the highest adps (mch should be a bit behind since ranged)

I would argue that i fights remain as they are with 100% uptime than they should pay a tax for it.

Casters all have tools for movement, but it’s not as easy as not having cast times. NIN, DRG, RPR all have utility. RPR in particular has both a party wide damage up as well as a party heal. DRG used to have dragon sight.

Groups are always going to prefer the Rez for progression. It feels bad that caster is the only role that is essentially divided in half. I think PCT and BLM should be able to compete with melee DPS for the 4th slot.

[Supersnow845]

I would argue that i fights remain as they are with 100% uptime than they should pay a tax for it.

Casters all have tools for movement, but it’s not as easy as not having cast times. NIN, DRG, RPR all have utility. RPR in particular has both a party wide damage up as well as a party heal. DRG used to have dragon sight.

Groups are always going to prefer the Rez for progression. It feels bad that caster is the only role that is essentially divided in half. I think PCT and BLM should be able to compete with melee DPS for the 4th slot.

To be fair the healers are also split in half by

Good

Garbage

As the two roles so that does feel worse

[MrJPtheAssassin]

PCT’s utility isn’t really worth the loss of rezz if PCT falls behind the utility melee (MNK/NIN/DRG). PCT needs to squarely be fighting for the 4th slot with the 6th melee and be close enough to BLM (or exceeding BLM it’s not like rDPS jobs exceeding aDPS jobs at the top end is unusual) to also justify the caster spot as “lose rezz for more damage”

Putting it around the lower melee for aDPS and near the 3 true selfish jobs for rDPS is perfectly reasonable

These ppl acting like picto is bringing some amazing never seen before utility. Its utilities are basically the same as any of the other jobs. I cant name one utility that picto has that another job with higher dps cant do. If its in the middle of the melees and smn/rdm then it will be left behind bc as you said its utility isn't worth the lost of a extra rez.

[Sequora]

These ppl acting like picto is bringing some amazing never seen before utility. Its utilities are basically the same as any of the other jobs. I cant name one utility that picto has that another job with higher dps cant do. If its in the middle of the melees and smn/rdm then it will be left behind bc as you said its utility isn't worth the lost of an extra rez.

Right? It has a damage up (NIN, RPR, MNK all have), and a shield. RPR has an AoE heal, MNK has increased healing.

[StrangeIove]

Maybe Picto isn't overtuned, maybe the other jobs are undertuned

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Right? It has a damage up (NIN, RPR, MNK all have), and a shield. RPR has an AoE heal, MNK has increased healing.

Then you compare it to SMN and RDM. SMN/RDM both has buffs that are the same as Picto, SMN new heal is the same pretty much as picto's heal, and RDM has a magic reduction ability which is kinda like having a shield. The only thing they have that picto doesn't is the rez. So if Pico can't do the same dps as a nonSAM/VPR Melee but also doesn't have a rez then it has no place in parties. There is nothing it brings that other jobs don't have already. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand for some ppl. I feel ppl are just threatened by the idea of a non-BLM caster doing similar numbers as a melee. At this point why even add another caster...seems no one wants to change things up and just have the same meta teams as always.

[Supersnow845]

Then you compare it to SMN and RDM. SMN/RDM both has buffs that are the same as Picto, SMN new heal is the same pretty much as picto's heal, and RDM has a magic reduction ability which is kinda like having a shield. The only thing they have that picto doesn't is the rez. So if Pico can't do the same dps as a nonSAM/VPR Melee but also doesn't have a rez then it has no place in parties. There is nothing it brings that other jobs don't have already. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand for some ppl. I feel ppl are just threatened by the idea of a non-BLM caster doing similar numbers as a melee. At this point why even add another caster...seems no one wants to change things up and just have the same meta teams as always.

I feel like people in EW got way too comfortable having the melee be stronger just……..because. Take something like P7, the melee in that fight are literally just playing physical ranged as it’s almost impossible to not be in her hitbox (1, 6, 8, 9, 10 and 12 weren’t much better and vali is similar this expansion) while doing 15% more damage than the physical ranged who are getting taxed for their free uptime with it actually being of no benefit

Melee are designed to do 10% more damage but then have to fight for more than 90% uptime, so their ceiling is higher but they don’t get it by default

PCT 100% should be doing melee damage

[Sequora]

Well fingers crossed that the balance team doesn’t think we need nerfs based on their post about 7.01 and 7.05. Truthfully I’m glad for the change to aetherhues as I hate when people abuse systems for optimization.

BLM will hopefully have higher aDPS with PCT dealing similar rDPS.

[Rithy255]

PCT should do similar dps to melee, they are fighting from 4th spot like BLM, maybe they are little bit overtuned.
BLM is currently weak. It is obvious, BLM need buff right now the most.
RDM is probably fine
SMN is probably bit too weak, since they are weaker ress mage than RDM.

eh, i'd disagree I think Red mage needs to be where BLM currently is, I think it's slightly undertuned.
SMN should be a little bit behind red mage, despite rez mage having a better raise I think it's clear that in EW SMN's mobility was always more valued over RDM's consistent rez, so unless that changes due to fight design, I think RDM should do more. I'd also move up physical ranged a bit more too.

PCT/BLM should be at the very least at melee levels, I personally think Casters (not summoner) are more demanding then melees in hardcore, so i wouldn't mind a slight edge but i think it's safe to put them on melee's level.

[mallleable]

Yeah, RDM should be above SMN no matter what end up happening considering it has frequent hard casts, and it has to melee.