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  1. #11
    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Benedikta Harman
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    We need to wait the fflog stats on the extremes

    dungeon balance is useless

    PCT have a high potential, like BLM, but in combat I dont know how much of it's potential you can release, playing VPR im 1st dps every time, even when there is a PCT in the party (in the lv100 content)

    + VPR have a good synergy with the DNC
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  2. #12
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    Sequora's Avatar
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    Character
    Raveen Raines
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Don’t disagree that it might need some potency adjustments, but it needs to be up there in terms of damage. Pictomancer doesn’t have a Rez putting it in a tricky place for raiding. It needs to do a healthy amount above red mage and summoner to be competitive.

    Remember, black mage deals melee DPS damage, and if pictomancer has utility, it should deal damage similar to the nonSAM melee DPS.

    Healing on star prism is honestly flavor and isn’t a reason anyone is going to have over other jobs.
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  3. #13
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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Pictomancer feels overturned on my end as well. Dungeons with a PIC are completely different than with any other jobs.
    Picto also offers a lot of utility and healing, it seems to be in a similar state to ShB's SMN where the job simply had too much utility and DPS.
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  4. #14
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    Maxilor's Avatar
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    Character
    Pocket Prince
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 57
    I love the way Picto is designed, they knocked it out of the park.

    But yeah the Damage is obviously overtuned.

    I have no doubt it will be adjusted before Savage though, so in the meantime enjoy

    ARTIST SUPREMACY

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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

  5. #15
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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    Pepper Oni
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post

    A job that has utility should never, ever be outdpsing a "selfish" job with no raid buffs like BLM as a baseline, but that's unfortunately the case at present.

    The job itself is extremely well-designed; the potencies are just a bit too bloated for everything else it brings.
    A little bit louder for the Warrior mains in the back.
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  6. #16
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    Sequora's Avatar
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    Raveen Raines
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    As long as it’s well above red mage and summoner and in line with nonSAM DPS I’m okay with some small nerfs.

    Can we not factor the healing into the balance? It’s literally just an additional effect on top of one of their hardest hitting spells, which can only be used in very 2 minutes.
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  7. #17
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    Drkdays's Avatar
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    Character
    Eternity Spellblade
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    I ran a leveling as DRK and got Avery with two pictos. They ran ahead and pulled like goons and I couldn't keep up with them as a DRK and they kept jerking agro on mobs I grabbed, but they evaporated everything. It was like I was running it unsynced with two max level players. Only the bosses slowed them down. Briefly.
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    Your boos mean nothing! I've seen what makes you people cheer. -Rick Sanchez

  8. #18
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Character
    Princess- Princess
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 100
    They balance jobs around savage/extremes/ultimates. Dungeons are non existent. We need to wait to see the numbers for extreme trials as a starting point. Only then can we know for sure if the job is overturned. For now no one can tell for sure. The job needs to be a powerhouse but it definitely shouldn’t be doing way more damage than a BLM/SAM/VPR but it also shouldn’t be far off from the non utility jobs either since they have no res ability.
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  9. #19
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    Character
    Hildi Freiherr
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    What utility is everyone talking about?
    The longer cooldown 10% HP shield (not sure if 10% of the picto hp or everyone who gets the shield) or the group damage buff? Or the little heal he can fire off every 2-3 minutes?

    How is that different from other classes? There are about 4-5 classes that have a damage boosting buff or buff healing and/or have a battle rez. I realy don't get it.

    Picto has very good burst damage but when the burst wears off, he does so little damage in the meantime. Viper does consistent damage and so far overall there was no real difference in damage in any fight I had with picto and viper. What is everyone talking about?
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  10. #20
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Character
    Andreas Cestelle
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fingerhut View Post
    What utility is everyone talking about?
    The longer cooldown 10% HP shield (not sure if 10% of the picto hp or everyone who gets the shield) or the group damage buff? Or the little heal he can fire off every 2-3 minutes?

    How is that different from other classes? There are about 4-5 classes that have a damage boosting buff or buff healing and/or have a battle rez. I realy don't get it.

    Picto has very good burst damage but when the burst wears off, he does so little damage in the meantime. Viper does consistent damage and so far overall there was no real difference in damage in any fight I had with picto and viper. What is everyone talking about?
    An indom for free, a 10% shield and a raid buff is a huge amount of utility for no is already doing melee level damage before you factor in a raid buff
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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