Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Stasya]

I think instead that the picto is fine where it is. It's the BLM that is significantly underperforming.

You have a strange logic, what about smn and rdm then? They have buffs too but don't compete in damage on par vs melees

[Volfe]

Melees/ Picto don't have raise? Nor the amount of support those jobs offer. Picto is as much of a support job as monk is. I swear people want every non melee job to be as useless as possible for no reason.

[Stasya]

Melees/ Picto don't have raise? Nor the amount of support those jobs offer. Picto is as much of a support job as monk is. I swear people want every non melee job to be as useless as possible for no reason.

I see you are the problem too

[ForteNightshade]

Melees/ Picto don't have raise? Nor the amount of support those jobs offer. Picto is as much of a support job as monk is. I swear people want every non melee job to be as useless as possible for no reason.

There is a reason though. Unless the dev team is willing to drastically raise basically half the jobs' DPS numbers, it's simply not feasible to keep Picto where it is. Buffing only BLM compounds the Caster disparity by making RDM/SMN literally only got for raise and nothing else. Even for only prog Savage, you'd go in with the expectation your RDM/SMN is immediately switching to Picto/BLM (if the latter is buffed) after an hour or two. The difference is massive enough that you'd be borderline griefing otherwise. Put bluntly, this discrepancy is worse than Abyssos, one of the worst balanced tiers in the game's history.

Alas, simply buffing all the Casters then puts the Phys Range in a position where even with the 1% party buff, they're not dealing enough damage to compensate. Thus, they also need a sizable enough buff where you aren't just running two melee/two casters.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for that having long hated the range tax nonsense. Unfortunately, the dev team is rather stubbornly clinging to it, which means Picto and BLM can't both be dealing melee level damage.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

You have a strange logic, what about smn and rdm then? They have buffs too but don't compete in damage on par vs melees

Smn and Rdm has rezs and have a whole lot more movement than Picto and BLM. That's why those two can't do DPS near melee. They are already auto picks in most parties since this community puts so much value in the able to rez doing prog and even clears. The reason Picto needs to at least stay near non sam/vrp melee DPS is that it will need to competite for the flex spot(4th DPS). I know a lot of y'all think ppl don't care about meta outside world first first and speed clears but that's not true. BLM for years had issues getting into parties bc everyone always wants a Rdm or smn for that rez even if the fight is on farm and ppl prefer running double melee over double caster. At the end of the day if Picto is nerfed to be at Rdm/smn numbers then the job will be dead and will rarely ever get a spot in parties. Sure I believe the job needs nerfs but it doesn't need a sledgehammer taken to it. If you want all the casters to do similar damage then remove the damn rez from smn and rdm and even the playing ground so any caster can have the caster spot in a party.

[Stasya]

Smn and Rdm has rezs and have a whole lot more movement than Picto and BLM. That's why those two can't do DPS near melee. They are already auto picks in most parties since this community puts so much value in the able to rez doing prog and even clears. The reason Picto needs to at least stay near non sam/vrp melee DPS is that it will need to competite for the flex spot(4th DPS). I know a lot of y'all think ppl don't care about meta outside world first first and speed clears but that's not true. BLM for years had issues getting into parties bc everyone always wants a Rdm or smn for that rez even if the fight is on farm and ppl prefer running double melee over double caster. At the end of the day if Picto is nerfed to be at Rdm/smn numbers then the job will be dead and will rarely ever get a spot in parties. Sure I believe the job needs nerfs but it doesn't need a sledgehammer taken to it. If you want all the casters to do similar damage then remove the damn rez from smn and rdm and even the playing ground so any caster can have the caster spot in a party.

Rez is sompletely pointless when devs put constant 8 man body check in raids, also there are dps checks you know, taxing for res is almost pointless with endwalker design of the fights and we all can assume 8 man body checks wil remain in DT

No i don't oppose body checks, but taxing classes because they cant use res anyway to pass them or spam res to prolong the inevitable wipe to enrage is kinda dumb.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Rez is sompletely pointless when devs put constant 8 man body check in raids, also there are dps checks you know, taxing for res is almost pointless with endwalker design of the fights and we all can assume 8 man body checks wil remain in DT

Tell that to the dev team and the community. Sure I agree with you where the rez isn't that valuable anymore but the rest of the community as a whole doesn't see it that way. Everyone and their mother still wants a caster with a rez and unless the devs delete the caster rez that never going to change. Rdm and smn will continue to dominate in pick rates for the caster role while BLM and Picto has to fight their hearts out to get that flex spot over another melee.

[Stasya]

Tell that to the dev team and the community. Sure I agree with you where the rez isn't that valuable anymore but the rest of the community as a whole doesn't see it that way. Everyone and their mother still wants a caster with a rez and unless the devs delete the caster rez that never going to change. Rdm and smn will continue to dominate in pick rates for the caster role while BLM and Picto has to fight their hearts out to get that flex spot over another melee.

Yeah we will see how picto will "fight" over caster or flex spot

[Poppet]

Rez is sompletely pointless when devs put constant 8 man body check in raids, also there are dps checks you know, taxing for res is almost pointless with endwalker design of the fights and we all can assume 8 man body checks wil remain in DT

No i don't oppose body checks, but taxing classes because they cant use res anyway to pass them or spam res to prolong the inevitable wipe to enrage is kinda dumb.

It's because of body checks you HAVE to bring rez. Because doing a lot more damage can't resolve it. When dps mattered in P8S pre nerf and fights like DSR. BLM's playrate over doubled. When BLM didn't do enough damage in TOP it was straight up slot blacklisted. When fights started having more body checks BLM usage fell hard to the extent they made changes to BLM this expansion because of it to increase popularity. They did a very bad job though.

Rez tax should be a thing. Having BLM/PCT doing crazy high damage even more than melee should be a thing so that they have value in being played. Also so they don't have a TOP situation again when they have to deal with suboptimal fight conditions making them worse dps than SMN/RDM. Having SMN/RDM do more damage with rez has only ever led to kicks and blacklisted slot caster slot for BLM.

[Ggwppino]

You have a strange logic, what about smn and rdm then? They have buffs too but don't compete in damage on par vs melees

Smn is a joke and this job for a balance sake should not even perform in high-end content. Rdm is a joke too, but actually is a job that sure deserve more balance but before smn pre EW nuke was considerate a really high movement and really semplicistic caster even by dev.