Viper needs some major work

[GoatOfWar]

Keep playing snore-ior i guess.
Viper only has like 4 buttons.

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

Here's my problem...

I usually put all my single target stuff on the bottom bar, basic 1 through =
Then I put my AOEs on the middle bar, Shift + 1 through =
And then weird special stuff on the top bar, Ctrl + 1 through =

With the way the new combos work, I have to put an extra copy of Serpent's Tail, Twinfang, and Twinblood on both bars b/c that button turns into a single target Finisher or an AOE finisher depending. They "got rid" of the button bloat, by giving us multi-use buttons we have to put all over our bars anyway.

I actually agree with this, the twin blade button could have just been a single button

[Kaedys]

I actually agree with this, the twin blade button could have just been a single button

Or even if it is kept as two buttons, I really wish they'd merge Serpent's Tail into it. There's no reason to have THREE oGCD buttons, all of which function as "various oGCDs will pop up here when they are usable". I think the 1-2 and 2-1 double weaves of Twinfang and Twinblood add some depth, but having Serpent's Tail, and the stuff on it, separate adds literally nothing except hotbar bloat. Just make everything that's currently on Serpent's Tail show up on one of, or even BOTH OF, Twinfang and Twinblood.

Also, can we please make it so you can only cast ONE OF each of them after the twin blade attacks. Or give them a longer recast timer, 1.5-2.5s? It's almost ubiquitous to spam your oGCD buttons when double-weaving, to get that nice tight weave, but Twinfang and Twinblood have very short recast timers, and I've wasted one of the weave buffs several times because I was spamming the first one smidge longer than I should and it got queued for the second weave slot as well.

Also, Dreadwinder either needs to be a shorter GCD, or an oGCD. Or have its own oGCD follow-up similar to the 3rd combo hit, or a Twin pair like the following attacks. That long completely empty GCD feels very stilted and disruptive. It feels like there's something you should be doing during it to justify the length of the GCD. It seems to fly in the face of what otherwise feels like quite a fast-paced rotation.

[Ramiee]

Viper feels like it's probably amazing on controller. On pc it's a little awkward.

[Taliriah]

Really not feeling the new job here folks, something is amiss. Can't quite place my finger on it though, lemme think... could it be-noo... Maybe-naaah... Oh, I got it! Too many actions per minute. I don't think the job can be viable unless we remove Twinfang and Twinblood. Please SE, the job is too hard with these actions.

it's what makes the job feels engaging. if you want lower apm jobs there's already plenty of them

[SirShady]

Well, this thread hadn't turned out the way I'd hoped. Oh well, maybe less sarcasm next time

Yeah no, I got the sarcasm but I don't get the joke.

[Shhikasan]

job is fine but its basic aoe skills are complete trash and requires you to use a reawaken with trash mobs so your not saving 150 build up for a dungeon boss and really nothing else matters then buff upkeep and spamming reawakening, otherwise in trials its fine, its also gonna be one of the classes that gonna have a skill gap between your casual players and normal human being

[Laerune]

I like the class, I just wish our gapcloser could be used like picto gapcloser.

[Kaedys]

job is fine but its basic aoe skills are complete trash and requires you to use a reawaken with trash mobs so your not saving 150 build up for a dungeon boss and really nothing else matters then buff upkeep and spamming reawakening, otherwise in trials its fine, its also gonna be one of the classes that gonna have a skill gap between your casual players and normal human being

Reawaken, like Enshroud, is fully intended to be used on trash pulls. Anything with a usage interval of 60s or less should absolutely be being used on trash pulls, since most of the W2W double pulls take ~45-60s, including running between packs. Reawaken has roughly the same usage interval as Enshroud, ie. ~3 per 2 minutes, including the free one from Ire.

[Sora_Wynters]

just because you can't handle the speed doesnt mean the job is bad and need major work. it's fine the way it is, i have 0 problem with it. if you are on mouse and keyboard try to be faster and if you are on controller well.. deal with it or don't play the job