Viper needs some major work

[fulminating]

Well, this thread hadn't turned out the way I'd hoped. Oh well, maybe less sarcasm next time

this is a thread lamenting plunge being removed?

[CaedemSanguis]

Im in love with the viper, lv100 and the rotation feels so good and busy and fun, the animations are impressive also

[SirShady]

Well, this thread hadn't turned out the way I'd hoped. Oh well, maybe less sarcasm next time

Yeah no, I got the sarcasm but I don't get the joke.

[Zeeningg]

yeah not sure what the hell your point was, just seems like a whiney post made by an incompetent person that finds pressing 2 oGCD hard o.O

[Tunda]

The job is excellent

[Ramiee]

Reaper lower levels is rough but no where near as bad as viper. At least by level 50 you have the weakness debuff and gauge spender, it's not great but it's the basic filler damage rotation you take into level 90.
Viper just doesn't really feel like an actual job until level 80 because at that level you gave your core rotation.

[angelar_]

This class is so lazy. Like, not playability, the way it's designed. Like out of box, it's incredible how everything they do is just like, A Samurai Thing, or a Reaper Thing, with a little touch of A Gunbreaker Thing

It feels like they tried as hard as they could to build a class without having to design anything. And the button bloat is again just insane. Even with the paging combos, it's ridiculous how much space I need to do one general sphere of thing. Reaper is also horrible about this where they had only *3* buff buttons, which just totally breaks my button logic. No other class was like it. Except for Viper!

Well, at least their combo buttons actually page, and not "I can't play Reaper because they decided you shouldn't be able to page weapon combos." My buttons simply don't work without that. To see it on Viper is extremely annoying. Is it Strictly Forbidden or not, SE?

[Krolja]

My only issue with the class at the moment, while level 84, is that Twinfang and Twinblood's animation locks are INSANE considering they want you to double weave these two ogcds between Dreadwinder/Pit of Dread combos. I'm having to tap the first one and then HARD mash the second one just to get the game to register that I've hit it. I'd say I have about a 50% chance of both going off without clipping my gcd, and there are times when the second button just flat out doesn't register. It can be very frustrating. For reference, I sit between 85-120ish ping.

[Ramiee]

I like the idea of Viper.
A job where you don't have too many buttons but you are constantly inputting and weaving. It's literally the only type of burst job I like it's very reminiscent of the busy enhancement shaman class in WoW. Don't press too many buttons but you are constantly pressing buttons.
The approach was just so confusing with viper, hopefully the more time we have with it the more we can pin point the issues and hopefully have CBU3 patch them.

[Kalocin]

I have no issues with the job and I think it's pretty well designed once you get used to it. The level scaling issue is the same for every job, if you mention this to a black mage they might collectively crash the servers from the weight of their tears. I do think they need to rework the tooltips though, they're also kind of getting bloated on other jobs too. Actually in general they could really just use a whole "job tutorial system" for everything.