Updated benchmark

[Plushy]

I swear to god, if they undid the changes on elezen because of you lot I'll lose my mind lol

I was watching it with my friend who's fluent in japanese and she said that he said they adjusted really small details such as the creases in specific eyelid patterns and other adjustments. So doubt they did huge changes to hugely change the overall look of the characters in 1.1 so I wouldn't worry about it given they only had around 2 weeks to do anything.
Some people characters have already been updated and elezen kinda looks the same.
However he said they will continue address feedback in future patches and beyond because they couldn't add everything. I personally think this just means bugs but~ you never know. Personally I think its really bad they're open to keep changing characters through out 7.x..
Hope they're ok with giving everybody a free fantasia everytime.

[Larirawiel]

I hope, they revert the Elezen changes.



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[Odstarva]

I was watching it with my friend who's fluent in japanese and she said that he said they adjusted really small details such as the creases in specific eyelid patterns and other adjustments. So doubt they did huge changes to hugely change the overall look of the characters in 1.1 so I wouldn't worry about it given they only had around 2 weeks to do anything.
Some people characters have already been updated and elezen kinda looks the same.
However he said they will continue address feedback in future patches and beyond because they couldn't add everything. I personally think this just means bugs but~ you never know. Personally I think its really bad they're open to keep changing characters through out 7.x..
Hope they're ok with giving everybody a free fantasia everytime.

The monument to hypocrisy and irony that is this whole thread. "We're only advocating for our own characters" while forgetting "their" characters are shared with every player in the world. I know it's easy to forget, but your face and hair combo really isn't that unique. Thousands of other players are using it, and your 'fixes' are being forced on everyone else's characters, but nevermind that. "Fuck you got mine" mentality. As I've said before, I'd much rather they let you guys live in the past with extra choices, than forcing the old models on everyone else.

I hope, they revert the Elezen changes.



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That was so cute.
Did it make you feel better?

[Iscah]

forcing the old models on everyone else.

It's never going to go entirely "back to the old models" in terms of the altered graphics.

In many cases I suspect that the people who like the updates are liking the overall vibe of increased textures while not noticing the finer details, and it's quite possible that the corrections being asked for would make the characters look even better in ways they hadn't realised were wrong.

Even for me, being instantly aware that the character appearances felt off, it took me weeks to recognise some elements of what had actually changed.

I also think some people have just opened up their pre-saved character data and watched them look all pretty in the benchmark trailer, when as I have raised in a recent post here, the character looks quite different and more beautiful in the staged close-up shot than how they look in the character creator, when the latter is how they look when standing around and in basic cutscenes.

[Isurith]

It's never going to go entirely "back to the old models" in terms of the altered graphics.

In many cases I suspect that the people who like the updates are liking the overall vibe of increased textures while not noticing the finer details, and it's quite possible that the corrections being asked for would make the characters look even better in ways they hadn't realised were wrong.

Yeah I just think people complaining about the feedbacks don't read the said feedbacks.

I'm just asking for the same lip shape as before, and the same pupil size (or at least the choice). How is that asking for the old model ? That's minor tweaking at best. This is crazy.

[Plushy]

Yeah I just think people complaining about the feedbacks don't read the said feedbacks.

I'm just asking for the same lip shape as before, and the same pupil size (or at least the choice). How is that asking for the old model ? That's minor tweaking at best. This is crazy.

Here is the problem a lot of you seem to have. You keep asking us (the people that like the changes) to show empathy while you people show us zero and you keep bringing up the same argument of saying "yoshi said they'll keep the overall feel". SE honestly put themself in this situation because they give us not one but two benchmarks with the new characters and let us play with it for hours basically dangling a carrot in our faces saying "this is what you're going to get". Now they keep changing that said carrot so its all old and wrinkling and similar to 2.x likeness.
But my main problem overall is them saying they're going keep changing stuff through out 7.x its not clear if it means actual adjustments or bug fixes because he didn't say but that's a really really dumb thing to do. Because this could install false hope for getting stuff changed/ and install fear of making things worse.
SE needs to learn they can't please everybody, everybody wants something different. The fact they keep trying to please everybody is just going to end up with them not pleasing anybody. I guarantee you if they keep adjusting characters its going to look worse and worse due to varied feedback.

for example.
Face 3 au ra didn't really have very noticeable tear bags in the 1.0 benchmark.
Since everybody was complaining the maps changes and now she has very noticeable tear bags and now people don't like that but at the same time; It made people that do like that they show.
Now SE is going to change it again and then have new people complaining they liked the tear bags. Oh well...guess we'll see what happens overtime.

There are plenty of people who have expressed they want options so that people who like the update get to keep the features they like.

The largest thread on that issue was quite literally called "make the update optional", making it very clear that the intention of most people unhappy with the update is not that they want to take it away from those who like it.

We would just like the option to "opt out" of it (technical questions whether this is possible aside - I'm talking about the intentions here).

You are robbing this whole discussion of its nuance if you attempt to discredit those giving feedback in this and past threads with simplified and often untrue "fuck me, got mine" accusations and disparage them as living in the past, while making a suggestion (more options) that "our" side has repeatedly brought forward as well.

couple of posts above you someone is asking for a full on reversion of elezen....don't get me wrong. I've seen some of you ask for more options but not everybody is and from how the devs explain. It sounds like they can't add more because their servers can't take it so they have no choice but to just force changes on everybody.
In the end. Everybody is being selfish, everybody is a "F you, got mine" Nobody really cares if you don't get what you want, everybody only wants what they want and you all need to stop pretending you care what others want.

[Iscah]

I guarantee you if they keep adjusting characters its going to look worse and worse due to varied feedback.

Not if the goal (as stated by the devs) is to have the characters looking as upgraded versions of what they were before, and the devs only choose to apply feedback that moves them towards that goal.

[Plushy]

Not if the goal (as stated by the devs) is to have the characters looking as upgraded versions of what they were before, and the devs only choose to apply feedback that moves them towards that goal.

You're not the devs you don't know what goal they're going for. They said "overall look" this doesn't imply 1:1 this just implies they're going to have the overall same feel which they do.

Also its pretty silly/naive to -automatically- assume the adjustments would make you look closer to how you looked in 2.x/ or get what you want. They might ignore your feedback and listen to someone else and your character might look even more different or not change at all.
This is why I said they installed false hope and it clearly worked on you and the JP players.
Because they wasn't even clear what they're going to change further in 7.x. Is going to be actual adjustments? or just bugs? We don't know.

[Loggos]

couple of posts above you someone is asking for a full on reversion of elezen....don't get me wrong. I've seen some of you ask for more options but not everybody is and from how the devs explain. It sounds like they can't add more because their servers can't take it so they have no choice but to just force changes on everybody.

I am not saying that it never happens. This is why I wrote “plenty of people” and so forth.
But your comment does incorrectly paint the whole thread as promoting a “fuck me, got mine” mentality (which is ironic, because not only is it not true, we didn’t even “get ours” – it’s purely hypothetical, whereas those who like the update actually “got theirs”).
This simplification of this discourse and the twisting of the feedback of the unhappy side as a whole is what I want to push back on.

In the end. Everybody is being selfish, everybody is a "F you, got mine" Nobody really cares if you don't get what you want, everybody only wants what they want and you all need to stop pretending you care what others want.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I do not agree that simply giving detailed feedback is a sign of being selfish. People have (not only in this thread but also when the first benchmark dropped) made very matter-of-fact feedback posts where they explained in detail with images and graphs what was different.

Quite a few people who approve of the update have then unfortunately attacked people just for making those technical feedback posts.

But imo those feedback posts just communicate "I don't like this". It doesn't automatically implicate anything else beyond that. Again, pointing to those posts above mine completely ignores that the main hub of this discussion before benchmark 1.1 took place in a thread that asked to make the update optional, not to remove it at the cost of people who like it.

I think that the original "make it optional" thread and the purely technical feedback given here and in other places are more accurate depictions of the nature of the discussion on the unhappy side as a whole. That does not mean nobody ever approached it with a selfish attitude, we are not a hivemind after all. But it is also simply inaccurate to distort the entire discussion past and present with blanket statements like the ones quoted.

[Plushy]

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Fair enough. I'll agree to disagree too. You always been respectful and nice to everybody wishes without resorting to petty attacks and jabs so I don't want to argue or fight with you.
Dawntrail almost here so once that releases I probably won't even been using the forums once again and whatever happens, happens...