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[DynnDiablos]

I think folks need to release any updates beyond 7.0 will not be cosmetic but mainly bug related. They can't make aesthetic changes once 7.0 launches tomorrow that would require folks to fantasia because lips or eyes or face shapes change. I would expect what is in the game now is what you're getting. SE won't risk angering the fanbase who take time to tweak their characters and get them where they want them, only to make more aesthetic changes which require them once again retweak.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

SE won't risk angering the fanbase who take time to tweak their characters and get them where they want them, only to make more aesthetic changes which require them once again retweak.

They already did, though.

[DynnDiablos]

They already did, though.

No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

[Doopliss]

No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

The changes people are asking for are generally all subtle in reality, and would still keep whatever option somebody chooses in 7.0 as their closest equivalent (god help me think of a less confusing way to word this).
EXAMPLE: Your choice of upturned eye will still be upturned. Your choice of thick lips will still be thick. Etc. It's why the free fantasias aren't helping anybody who's unsatisfied.

It is extremely possible to make a character's impression closer to the original while keeping the updated form. Look at the changes between male Viera from Benchmark 1.0 and 1.1. They're not exactly the same as 6.58, but with the adjustments they received, there's significantly less people complaining about them now.

The results of adjusting to received feedback is less of a big deal than you think it is. A character will likely look better after receiving special attention; they'll just have a resting expression closer to the original.

Also, dude, you speak way too confidently when they've straight up shown and now said time and time again that they're listening to feedback and applying what adjustments they can with what little time they're currently afforded.

[CidHeiral]

In many cases I suspect that the people who like the updates are liking the overall vibe of increased textures while not noticing the finer details, and it's quite possible that the corrections being asked for would make the characters look even better in ways they hadn't realised were wrong.

I noticed the finer details just fine and was quite pleased with them outside of an obvious bug. When the second benchmark released I discovered that a detail I really liked was completely removed because it was a little different from the original. That definitely did not look "even better," it looked worse. Now I'm nervous about what else is going to be made worse due to feedback, and I've seen some truly bizarre feedback on the face I use, so I can certainly empathize with others who feel that way.

[Cheapshot]

No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

In a sense I don’t disagree with you, but the only things we know with certainty are what the devs have said directly. One thing they’ve said is that its their intention to keep to the original look and feel of everyone’s characters as much as possible. Another thing they’ve said is they plan to keep taking feedback and making adjustments post release. It’s not out of the question that we’ll see more face changes, and personally I hope we do. Preserving the look of characters people have become attached to for up to 10 years in a subscription based game sounds like something that might be a priority.

[antylamon]

After any feedback, positive or negative, the devs will be the ones to decide, which is useful, it’s on them to weigh the situation and make changes, or not. It’s pointless to try and convert anyone on another side of the fence. Feedback (detailed, preferably) is inherently a communication link between two units: players and devs, from one to another. Ensuing arguments outside of that only make the feedback (BOTH positive and negative) get lost within the pages of threads, not helping anyone.
(I know these are the forums but still xD)

[Cheapshot]

Ensuing arguments outside of that only make the feedback (BOTH positive and negative) get lost within the pages of threads, not helping anyone.

I suspect that’s been some peoples goal unfortunately.

[antylamon]

I suspect that’s been some peoples goal unfortunately.

Sadly can't disagree...



(Also, forgot to mention in the previous post, wrt Au Ra eyes thingie, I don't see how it would be a problem to make a similar creation option to an already existing ability to choose iris size, that one is already right there!)

[GrizzlyTank]

Changing the overall design of the eyes seems like a mistake. Suddenly realistic, after having been designed to be somewhat cartoony for years.