What we want as healers: A coherent List

[SweetestLily]

Show me where i said the "silent minority doesnt agree with you", rather than "you can't speak for everyone". Can you quote where i said these exact words.

It seems accepting a fact is a hard concept. So can you actually sit here and say, that every person who plays healer would agree with the points made in this thread, who by title, is speaking for us all?

[Supersnow845]

Show me where i said the "silent minority doesnt agree with you", rather than "you can't speak for everyone". Can you quote where i said these exact words.

It seems accepting a fact is a hard concept. So can you actually sit here and say, that every person who plays healer would agree with the points made in this thread, who by title, is speaking for us all?

I literally quoted them, it’s in your previous post and the other quote is from your first post

You said “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums”

You are straight up quoting the same silent majority that you are telling other people to not use. The only statement I made about the OP is that I also don’t agree with their WE use, if anything I agree with your point, but I just don’t agree that you are both saying “don’t speak for other people” and also saying “oh yeah btw the silent majority doesn’t agree with you”

[SweetestLily]

I literally quoted them, it’s in your previous post and the other quote is from your first post

You said “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums”

You are straight up quoting the same silent majority that you are telling other people to not use. The only statement I made about the OP is that I also don’t agree with their WE use, if anything I agree with your point, but I just don’t agree that you are both saying “don’t speak for other people” and also saying “oh yeah btw the silent majority doesn’t agree with you”

ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

“the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.

[ThorneDynasty]

ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

“the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.

Wow, that's some mental acrobatics. Gaslighting? Projection much?

[KisaiTenshi]

You don't need "qualifications" understand that any manner of deviance from that formula whether by giving healers more DPS buttons and/or making them have to use their GCD heals more often will make their gameplay more varied.

And any additional button we get comes with an associated nerf to the buttons we already have. The developers want a ceiling on both the healing output and the DPS output each job has, so adding another DPS button means the DPS buttons we get lose half their potency. Careful what you wish for. Adding another GCD heal, would come with losing that potency from what we have. Adding another oGCD heal would nerf every oGCD heal. We've seen this multiple times with the Holy cast. Holy's original potency was 240, then 200, then 140. Holy 3 is 150. Aero/Aero2/Dia went from 25 to 30, 50 to 60, 120 to 60 to 65. Yes. Dia is barely more than Aero II was.

In a nutshell the healer should not have more than one "DPS" button. They are supposed to be healing. If you're doing 1-1-1, you aren't doing your job. MOST OF THAT, is the encounter design. If you are playing any healer your "gameplay loop" should look like this:

First 10 seconds of fight:
- DPS (either DoT or AOE)
- Cast Shields if you have them

Every cycle of the fight
- Party heal every time party-wide damage is taken, even if it overheals
- Renew shield or Regen
- Renew party buffs (AST *sigh*)

If someone is undergeared, or lagging:
- Spot heal them, because they will get KO'd in two hits

THEN, only then do you hit the DPS button. The reality is that green DPS players just 1-1-1-1 and then complain the job is boring because they aren't doing the job. It's not the healers fault the gear creep in the game and the tank/dps use their self heals because they expect healers not to do their job.

The days of "DPS enters wearing crafting gear" are long gone, as well as the "person entering with ilevel gear well below the dungeon requirement", so some of the extreme reasons for spot healing are gone.

The problem I often find, is that all the EW raid content has these "clipped AOE" elements, that trying to cast GCD heals gives you not enough time to move out of the AOE anyway unless you are standing right on top of the boss. Only instant cast oGCD's can be cast while moving.

So any suggestion to fold all heals into GCD's or OGCD's falls into the "tell me you don't know how to play healer without saying so". You should be using the GCD heals when you are safe from being AOE's or knockbacks, and oGCD's when you see a boss cast coming so you can heal up the party before the next cast comes.

Core healer design is GCD heal until something (eg tank buster) drops, then you use the oGCD. You can see this in many of the encounter designs. The encounter designs, once it's no longer new content, don't hit hard enough.

All the media tour really proved is that tanks and DPS should not be allowed to use their self heals in party content, and that encounter design needs to "send everyone not at full HP to 1 HP", cast doom, or cleansable petrify/stun/silence more often.

The reason I keep saying I don't want to see more DPS buttons comes down to what SE has done every time they have changed DPS on every role. Your attention should be on healing, NOT DPS. The reason green DPS keep wanting more DPS buttons is because they care about their high scores outside the game, not because it would make the job better.

[Iedarus]

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-Just altered the board to reflect this. All that remains is to brainstorm what else should be removed or merged to avoid bloat. I suppose something like Physick turning into Lustrate if you have Aetherflow could work, or a more fun idea would be to remove AoW and give Ruin II a special effect where if you hit an enemy affected by damage over time spells, it will cause a chain reaction where the hit bounces between enemies also affected by damage over time spells. Maybe do 50/40% less damage on a chain hit when an enemy is affected by one/two damage over time spells. Or perhaps both which would really trim down the bloat.

-Well it seems like that problem took care of itself with Baneful Impaction; just keep it (and the hypothetical predecessor, Shadow Flare) a targeted aoe dot rather than a stationary ground area of effect. I wouldn't worry about losing Soil over Energy Drain; every good Scholar knows that a well placed Soil does more to preserve your DPS than an Energy Drain. Energy Drain is basically a little minigame, in of itself, of how many you can get away with--without throwing the fight.

[Iedarus]

I also don’t agree with the OP phrasing this post as a conclusive WE implying everyone but you can’t come in and say “don’t speak for us all I only speak for myself (oh also the silent majority doesn’t agree with you)”. That is 100% talking out of both sides of your mouth

I didn't want it to be conclusive, I was just trying to word it in a way where people can give their ideas on what they want to see in healers. I personally do understand the POV of the healers who just want more to heal, so I figured that if I started this in the middle where there is a gameplay loop that still allows healers to easily pay attention to their team, thus keeping it easy for the dev team to create more healing requirements, we'd finally get somewhere.

[S4M4EL]

ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

“the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.

Thanks to language, we have different ways to convey the same message...

to say "the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums" is another way of saying that this silent majority's opinions are not the same as the ones from the forums so.....basically saying that the silent majority doesn't agree with them...

it's not that hard actually, but to say that it doesn't even remotely convey the same meaning?.......gurl.....

[Valmaxian]

Thanks to language, we have different ways to convey the same message...

to say "the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums" is another way of saying that this silent majority's opinions are not the same as the ones from the forums so.....basically saying that the silent majority doesn't agree with them...

it's not that hard actually, but to say that it doesn't even remotely convey the same meaning?.......gurl.....

You had me at “gurl.”

[KageTokage]

The reason green DPS keep wanting more DPS buttons is because they care about their high scores outside the game, not because it would make the job better.

No. People want more engagement from healing jobs in all content, but at the same time don't want to alienate the less skilled players who might not be able to handle increased healing checks in normal modes.

Providing more DPS options is the best way to address that problem and yeah, while they would have to either adjust the overall potency of damaging healer abilities or increase boss HP accordingly, it still seems like the simplest and most universally pleasing option.