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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    Im not making any points for or against or speaking for any side or making any list saying what "WE" want. Im speaking for myself. It should be common sense, that not everyone is in agreement on this subject who plays healer. Stating this fact is not speaking for anyone. It is ridiculous to imply so.

    This silent majority you speak of, has been very vocal on social media, only to be torn down here on the forums for their opinion on this, so you should'nt be surprised that alot of ppl are refraining from speaking on the healer thread and instead taking to social media. This is a perfect example of that. I simply said you can't speak for everyone, and that alone was enough for someone somehow deduce that I am against any improvements being made to healer. This. This is the reason that thread became an echo chamber of some of the most horrendous takes for healer I've ever seen, overshadowing the good ones. I don't want to be spoken for as a healer, by someone who has barely touched my class at decently skilled level nor has touched a savage/ulti a single day in their life, and I'm not the least bit sorry for saying this.
    No im saying you both saying “the majority of people probably don’t agree with you” and “the silent majority is very active on twitter” while also saying “im speaking for nobody but myself” is talking out of both sides of your mouth

    I also don’t agree with the OP phrasing this post as a conclusive WE implying everyone but you can’t come in and say “don’t speak for us all I only speak for myself (oh also the silent majority doesn’t agree with you)”. That is 100% talking out of both sides of your mouth
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Show me where i said the "silent minority doesnt agree with you", rather than "you can't speak for everyone". Can you quote where i said these exact words.

    It seems accepting a fact is a hard concept. So can you actually sit here and say, that every person who plays healer would agree with the points made in this thread, who by title, is speaking for us all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    Show me where i said the "silent minority doesnt agree with you", rather than "you can't speak for everyone". Can you quote where i said these exact words.

    It seems accepting a fact is a hard concept. So can you actually sit here and say, that every person who plays healer would agree with the points made in this thread, who by title, is speaking for us all?
    I literally quoted them, it’s in your previous post and the other quote is from your first post

    You said “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums”

    You are straight up quoting the same silent majority that you are telling other people to not use. The only statement I made about the OP is that I also don’t agree with their WE use, if anything I agree with your point, but I just don’t agree that you are both saying “don’t speak for other people” and also saying “oh yeah btw the silent majority doesn’t agree with you”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I literally quoted them, it’s in your previous post and the other quote is from your first post

    You said “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums”

    You are straight up quoting the same silent majority that you are telling other people to not use. The only statement I made about the OP is that I also don’t agree with their WE use, if anything I agree with your point, but I just don’t agree that you are both saying “don’t speak for other people” and also saying “oh yeah btw the silent majority doesn’t agree with you”
    ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

    “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

    These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

    “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

    These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.
    Wow, that's some mental acrobatics. Gaslighting? Projection much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    ok, now youre just purposely being deceptive.

    “the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums” is NOT saying "silent minority doesnt agree with you"

    These are not even remotely the same in meaning. Gaslight and troll elsewhere. I am done with this thread anyway. I said my piece.
    Thanks to language, we have different ways to convey the same message...

    to say "the silent majority has been very active on twitter only to be torn down on the forums" is another way of saying that this silent majority's opinions are not the same as the ones from the forums so.....basically saying that the silent majority doesn't agree with them...

    it's not that hard actually, but to say that it doesn't even remotely convey the same meaning?.......gurl.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I also don’t agree with the OP phrasing this post as a conclusive WE implying everyone but you can’t come in and say “don’t speak for us all I only speak for myself (oh also the silent majority doesn’t agree with you)”. That is 100% talking out of both sides of your mouth
    I didn't want it to be conclusive, I was just trying to word it in a way where people can give their ideas on what they want to see in healers. I personally do understand the POV of the healers who just want more to heal, so I figured that if I started this in the middle where there is a gameplay loop that still allows healers to easily pay attention to their team, thus keeping it easy for the dev team to create more healing requirements, we'd finally get somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.