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  1. #51
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    I guess if a feedback could work within the parameters of their visions of things they could consider it?
    From that 2021 interview they mentioned that the downtimes and that, but still didn't think adding more dps spells (like a bunch of people suggests) would work out.
    There's probably more but wasn't brought up, I can't imagine how long such a list could get if developers started commentings on all feedback that wasn't "accepted".
    That basically amounts to “tell us what we want to hear or we will ignore it” which isn’t feedback it’s requesting yes men
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    I love how bad FFXIV players are, that they dont realise, it's possible to do every single dungeon in any party composition you want.
    You want to clear with no Healer? Yes you can!
    You want to clear without Tank? Yes you can!
    You want to clear with only DPS? Yes you can also do it!
    You want to clear with no DPS? Guess what!

    Whoever agrees with this silly strike, it's better if they simply quit, if they think healers are not necessary because 1 video showing something thats in game for ages right now. The problem are not healers, but literally no difficulty in regular dungeons.
    the strike is not just about healers being useless (which is also true)
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  3. #53
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That basically amounts to “tell us what we want to hear or we will ignore it” which isn’t feedback it’s requesting yes men
    Well you can be glad that I have no idea how SE does when considering feedback or not.
    All I can say are my own thoughts, nothing grounded on facts.
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  4. #54
    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    You want to complain about how healers work? Then instead go and complain about in game difficulty of most content that even monkey can clear. Instead of complaining about healers you should ask for more raidwides, harder raidwides, more status effects that need to be dispeled, boss having more mechanics targeting players other thank tank etc. Healers are fine as they are, its just that 90% of content in game is the real problem.
    1-1-1-1-1-1-1

    "healers are fine"

    LUL
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  5. #55
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    Dungeons can do silly meme 4 healer runs, it's 1T/3D being optimal and increasingly mainstream that should really be cause for concern.

    A literal Ultimate though, the hardest content in the game, should have margins thin enough that you cannot clear without the trinity period, certainly not while it's current and on patch. Jobs are broken and/or the Ultimate itself is broken to make that possible.
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  6. #56
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    Celes Miret-njer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If they had remained silent with their discontent and stopped playing healers completely, it might have accomplished something. Other players would have chalked up any excessive queue times to all the players wanting to level Viper and Pictomancer at the start of the expansion and left it at that. SE would have seen a drop in the number of players choosing a healer and questioned why.
    No, SE wouldn't have - they would have made a similar assumption, because that is exactly what it would look like by the numbers. Now, they have other reasons to consider a sudden drop.

    Instead, we now have players who don't normally play healer stepping up to do it. One set of striking players out, another set of community focused players in. Not to mention the strikers who will still be healing for friends and statics. On SE's end, it may look like there are more players happy with healing than ever before so nothing needs to be changed.
    Great! And if they enjoy it, they can be the new healer mains, proving us wrong as we move onto classes that are fun. Or, they'll agree that it sucks and become a convert.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    THE FACT ITS POSSIBLE TO DO A ULTIMATE RAID THE SAME PATCH IT CAME OUT WITHOUT HEALERS IS A FUNDEMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THE TRINTY BALANCE.
    Just to respond in kind:

    NO IT ISN'T BECAUSE 99.999% OF THE PLAYER BASE IS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THE SAME THING

    YOU CANNOT MAKE A VALID BLANKET JUDGMENT ABOUT SYSTEM BASED ON AN OUTLIER.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 06-22-2024 at 10:02 AM.

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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Just to respond in kind:

    NO IT ISN'T BECAUSE 99.999% OF THE PLAYER BASE IS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THE SAME THING.
    At this point you're just going "lalala I can't hear you."
    You simply don't care about healers at all nor the game balance. Lmao, I can't with this guy.
    Not gonna waste my time on them anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    YOU CANNOT MAKE A VALID BLANKET JUDGMENT ABOUT SYSTEM BASED ON AN OUTLIER.
    Why CBU3 did when they made Summoner unable to tank Leviathan, lol.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-22-2024 at 10:10 AM.

  9. #59
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    Some vtuber and their minions trying so hard to make people doesn't play healer because they don't like it

    Their claim: they can clear normal dungeon with their premade party while 99% of player doing it with DF

    Man, miss the day vtube just F off over WoW and leave FF14 alone, they are cringe AF
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShariusTC View Post
    Some vtuber and their minions trying so hard to make people doesn't play healer because they don't like it

    Their claim: they can clear normal dungeon with their premade party while 99% of player doing it with DF

    Man, miss the day vtube just F off over WoW and leave FF14 alone, they are cringe AF
    I actually wish I had the ability to miss the point this hard

    This is like a piece of art, can this skill be taught
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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