Just stop playing healer

[BunnyQueen]

Yoshi did comment on Healer feedbacks before Endwalker release during a interview at the Media Tour 2021


"Yoshida: So I totally understand that those healers that have a very high player skill level and they’ve really mastered their jobs go into these different raids or battles and when they do have some downtime between their heals they do cast more offensive spells. Some of them desire to have more technical aspects of it so they are more active and I totally understand that sentiment. But of course the basis of a healer is to heal so I think the development team and I have this thinking of getting that sense of exhilaration from doing really good heal work.

That being said I don’t think we would do any sort of dramatic addition of offensive skills moving forward. By having these offensive abilities some players, like new healers, might feel pressured like “oh do I have to have good DPS while I’m healing?” or some players might be aggressive like “oh hey you have an offensive skill in your kit, why don’t you use it?” and I don’t think that’s optimal either.

But of course we do have the new job, Sage, which will allow for this unique gameplay where if you land an attack it heals at the same time. Or if there’s like a particular barrier ability that you cast and once that’s depleted it increases the resource which could lead to an attack which is very unique. I think players would be interested in trying that out for sure. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/...nterview_2021/

Yey he has done the reverse of what he said.

[Evergrey]

Yey he has done the reverse of what he said.

I simply wanted to point out that they haven't ignored the feedback "since SHB released".
A lot of people use that as a point for the Healer Strike that SE haven't listened to feedback for years and years, which shown by this isn't true.
They've listened, and most likely seen post EW release as well.
They simply didn't find the feedback needed most likely.

[Supersnow845]

I simply wanted to point out that they haven't ignored the feedback "since SHB released".
A lot of people use that as a point for the Healer Strike that SE haven't listened to feedback for years and years, which shown by this isn't true.
They've listened, and most likely seen post EW release as well.
They simply didn't find the feedback needed most likely.

Yoshi P’s “response” doesn’t even align with what the majority of people are complaining about against the strike. Gemina is getting ripped to shreds because she started the initial post and doesn’t do savage and wants casual content to be fixed, other people have supported her on the casual front and others have brought in problems with the savage design.

SGE does nothing to address this nor does “playing ultimate” as it has the same problems as savage

If a response completely misses the point of the feedback and doesn’t even resolve the issues it barely counts as a response because it shows they are no engaging with the point of our feedback

[Ramiee]

You're skipping the part where it still took them over 200 wipes after they had refined their strategy for RNG to work in their favor with a lot of deaths just barely avoided by 2-3 HP.

It's possible to do on the latest patch this wasn't even the patch after the raid came out. Idc if it takes 200 wipes yes it isn't optimal but it is viable. You can clear it without healers and that's a problem.

If you don't enjoy healing, then don't heal. No one needs to announce what they like or don't like playing to the player base.

I don't heal because it sucks, I support the strike because other people are suffering. "Don't talk about stuff you don't like just consume, don't use the forums to provide feedback of why you don't like an aspect of the game." You're being silly people are allowed to voice their opinon.

That many of the strikers are going to continue to play healer for their friends and statics shows they're what others are calling them - divas looking for attention.

Uh yeah, looking for attention. Thats why they annouced it they want the devs attention to see that some healers are extremely unhappy with the job, congratulations you figured out what their goal is.

If they were serious about not enjoying healing, they would not play healer for anyone or for any reason.

I don't paticulary like tanking but I did a couple extremes as a tank when there wasn't one present, I did it for my friends. People tend to sacrifice enjoyment for other people.

All credit to those who are serious and are quitting healing altogether. Gaming would be in a better place if more players followed their example and stuck to playing only what they enjoyed instead of doing whatever it takes to get useless pixel rewards.

So im confused, do you support the strike or not? Because im getting mixed messages. Do you want everyone in the strike to completely quit healing or do you want the strike to stop because you don't like divas?

Me? I still enjoy healing so I'll continue to be a healer. The occasions I've played with a group capable of smoothly completing content without a healer have been few. And when I say smoothly, I mean without unnecessary deaths caused by the lack of a healer in the party. That's the role of a healer - to keep the tanks alive so they can tank, keep DPS alive so they can deal damage. A healerless group clearing content by the skin of their teeth after multiple deaths and probably a few wipes is not impressive.

Good for you, the world doesn't revolve around you. Other people are unsatisfied with the Role and are voicing their opinon stop acting like a prima donna, if you don't like the strike or agree with it move on. who cares let people talk their piece.
Also you're completely missing the point about why i brought up the ultimate, so ill say it in capitals this time.
THE FACT ITS POSSIBLE TO DO A ULTIMATE RAID THE SAME PATCH IT CAME OUT WITHOUT HEALERS IS A FUNDEMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THE TRINTY BALANCE.

[Evergrey]

Yoshi P’s “response” doesn’t even align with what the majority of people are complaining about against the strike. Gemina is getting ripped to shreds because she started the initial post and doesn’t do savage and wants casual content to be fixed, other people have supported her on the casual front and others have brought in problems with the savage design.

SGE does nothing to address this nor does “playing ultimate” as it has the same problems as savage

If a response completely misses the point of the feedback and doesn’t even resolve the issues it barely counts as a response because it shows they are no engaging with the point of our feedback

Feedback is never a certainty to get adressed.
People leave feedback, devs go through them and decide if it's something worth doing something about or not.
Clearly Yoshi and the team haven't found any of the feedback they've read worth it apparently.
They seem to have another vision of how they want to go forward.

However, if said Strike blooms up enough, probably not through ingame meassures like disrupted duty queues, too few for that I think, but in publicity.
If FFXIV's reputation could start take a hit they might start reconsider their plans.

[Supersnow845]

Feedback is never a certainty to get adressed.
People leave feedback, devs go through them and decide if it's something worth doing something about or not.
Clearly Yoshi and the team haven't found any of the feedback they've read worth it apparently.
They seem to have another vision of how they want to go forward.

However, if said Strike blooms up enough, probably not through ingame meassures like disrupted duty queues, too few for that I think, but in publicity.
If FFXIV's reputation could start take a hit they might start reconsider their plans.

That just circles back round to the Kaiten problem

If you have a vision and you won’t deviate from it other than than incredibly minorly then why are you even asking for feedback

We all saw from Kaiten that they didn’t have any player based justification to remove it, they just did it because they wanted to and tried to retroactively justify it with feedback (that nobody could find)

[Evergrey]

That just circles back round to the Kaiten problem

If you have a vision and you won’t deviate from it other than than incredibly minorly then why are you even asking for feedback

We all saw from Kaiten that they didn’t have any player based justification to remove it, they just did it because they wanted to and tried to retroactively justify it with feedback (that nobody could find)

I guess if a feedback could work within the parameters of their visions of things they could consider it?
From that 2021 interview they mentioned that the downtimes and that, but still didn't think adding more dps spells (like a bunch of people suggests) would work out.
There's probably more but wasn't brought up, I can't imagine how long such a list could get if developers started commentings on all feedback that wasn't "accepted".

[Ramiee]

For everyone saying that TOP being clearable without healers isn't a big deal.

Back in ARR for a very short period of time Summoner Titan-Egi was able to co-tank Leviathan making it possible to replace a tank with a summoner (I can't remember if 2 summoners worked.)
This was considered such a problem that it was patched I'm pretty sure within a week after it was discovered because it messed with the trinty balance.

Nowadays CBU3 doesn't care enough to buff the outgoing damage slightly of TOP to make healerless runs impossible.

[Boblawblah]

For everyone saying that TOP being clearable without healers isn't a big deal.

Back in ARR for a very short period of time Summoner Titan-Egi was able to co-tank Leviathan making it possible to replace a tank with a summoner (I can't remember if 2 summoners worked.)
This was considered such a problem that it was patched I'm pretty sure within a week after it was discovered because it messed with the trinty balance.

Nowadays CBU3 doesn't care enough to buff the outgoing damage slightly of TOP to make healerless runs impossible.

It's not a big deal.

[Jojoya]

People are announcing on official forums their feedback about a role they loved and have since come to find totally unenjoyable due to changes over the years. I don't agree with x or y persons feedback over some things but the amount of people so butthurt over healers giving feedback is baffling. For years they gave feedback and the most we got was go do ultimate from Yoshi P, he has since acknowledged they overdid the changes for jobs overall so now is as good a time as any to say what you don't like and why.

Frankly players shouldn't need to announce a strike to get feedback that has been consistently appearing on this forum for years since SHB released to get some sort of attention.

If years of thoughtful feedback couldn't get change, I don't know why they think having this public strike is going to get it.

If they had remained silent with their discontent and stopped playing healers completely, it might have accomplished something. Other players would have chalked up any excessive queue times to all the players wanting to level Viper and Pictomancer at the start of the expansion and left it at that. SE would have seen a drop in the number of players choosing a healer and questioned why.

Instead, we now have players who don't normally play healer stepping up to do it. One set of striking players out, another set of community focused players in. Not to mention the strikers who will still be healing for friends and statics. On SE's end, it may look like there are more players happy with healing than ever before so nothing needs to be changed.

The strike was not well thought out. It might have players talking but it has them talking for the wrong reasons.

I don't know who you play with that you think the trinity is barely present but I assure you that the majority of parties still need healers. It's really dumb to take the outlier examples and try to present them as a blanket truth for everyone.

If you don't enjoy healing anymore, then don't play a healer. Don't make a fuss about it, just don't do it.

Have fun in Dawntrail.

That's how friendships and other relationships work. You do a thing you don't enjoy because your friend understands you don't enjoy it, appreciates that you're going to do it anyway, and will endeavor to do the similarly for you in the future.

So have your friends been reciprocating or have you just convinced yourself that surely someday it will happen?

If they're your friends, they'll step up and say "our turn this time, you don't need to heal anymore".

Or it could be you find out they were never really your friends. They were just using you as a convenient healer and they'll find someone else if you stand up for yourself and say you're going to play what you enjoy for a change. That happens a lot in MMOs. The people you think are friends aren't once you don't give them what you want.