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    Bright-Flower's Avatar
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    Lucana Wyght
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Not playing a healer and switching to DPS is literally what people are doing, though?
    Yep lol said the same back on page 1.
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    Nathaniel Lenox
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I still find healers more enjoyable to play than tank/dps.
    (despite it's flaws)
    So i'm gonna be Healer in DT too
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    SCH/AST/DNC/VPR/SMN

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    I will scholar if I want to.
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    Rikka Chu
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I love how bad FFXIV players are, that they dont realise, it's possible to do every single dungeon in any party composition you want.
    You want to clear with no Healer? Yes you can!
    You want to clear without Tank? Yes you can!
    You want to clear with only DPS? Yes you can also do it!
    You want to clear with no DPS? Guess what!

    Whoever agrees with this silly strike, it's better if they simply quit, if they think healers are not necessary because 1 video showing something thats in game for ages right now. The problem are not healers, but literally no difficulty in regular dungeons.
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    I love how bad FFXIV players are, that they dont realise, it's possible to do every single dungeon in any party composition you want.
    You want to clear with no Healer? Yes you can!
    You want to clear without Tank? Yes you can!
    You want to clear with only DPS? Yes you can also do it!
    You want to clear with no DPS? Guess what!

    Whoever agrees with this silly strike, it's better if they simply quit, if they think healers are not necessary because 1 video showing something thats in game for ages right now. The problem are not healers, but literally no difficulty in regular dungeons.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k65bhdogQKw
    You can clear the hardest content without a healer, theres a problem.
    Healers are becoming redundant, an entire role is losing its purpose, the people in the strike are quitting healing to play the 2 better roles they aren't quitting the game they are quitting the bad role.
    The real reason you don't agree with the strike because you don't want to play healer but don't want long queue times as a DPS. Because people are just voicing their annoyance with a poorly designed role.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-22-2024 at 05:45 AM.

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    Sakura Ichijo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k65bhdogQKw
    You can clear the hardest content without a healer, theres a problem.
    Healers are becoming redundant, an entire role is losing its purpose, the people in the strike are quitting healing to play the 2 better roles they aren't quitting the game they are quitting the bad role.
    The real reason you don't agree with the strike because you don't want to play healer but don't want long queue times as a DPS. Because people are just voicing their annoyance with a poorly designed role.
    They just barely made it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    They just barely made it.
    But they still made it, which is a problem especially since this was the same patch it released. Old ultimates from 7 years ago can't be cleared healerless yet the latest one was.
    Make all the excuses you want but the fact its possible shows that the healer role can be managed by DPS and Tanks, the healer can't even do what its made for at the top level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    Please, try to replicate this achievement. Or find anyone on PF who can replicate this achievement.
    Read above

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    Enjoy, but that requires endless forum spam and drama because....?
    You are engaging with the discourse you can avoid it if you want. The world doesn't revolve around you let people debate on a topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    You're not even vaguely that important. Sorry, Striker44, you're right. It is the diva mentality.
    Meh not even part of the strike ive been a dps main since ShB, I just support the strike because I want everyone who plays the game to have fun.
    Also its interesting to see the forums actually get a bunch of people talking, you often see the same few people.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-22-2024 at 06:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    But they still made it, which is a problem especially since this was the same patch it released. Old ultimates from 7 years ago can't be cleared healerless yet the latest one was.
    Make all the excuses you want but the fact its possible shows that the healer role can be managed by DPS and Tanks, the healer can't even do what its made for at the top level.
    I'd like to point out that RDM uses both Black Magic and White Magic. Also Summoner has healing in their kit. I doubt they would've made it without at least RDM.
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    But they still made it, which is a problem especially since this was the same patch it released. Old ultimates from 7 years ago can't be cleared healerless yet the latest one was.
    Make all the excuses you want but the fact its possible shows that the healer role can be managed by DPS and Tanks, the healer can't even do what its made for at the top level.
    You're skipping the part where it still took them over 200 wipes after they had refined their strategy for RNG to work in their favor with a lot of deaths just barely avoided by 2-3 HP.

    If you don't enjoy healing, then don't heal. No one needs to announce what they like or don't like playing to the player base.

    That many of the strikers are going to continue to play healer for their friends and statics shows they're what others are calling them - divas looking for attention.

    If they were serious about not enjoying healing, they would not play healer for anyone or for any reason.

    All credit to those who are serious and are quitting healing altogether. Gaming would be in a better place if more players followed their example and stuck to playing only what they enjoyed instead of doing whatever it takes to get useless pixel rewards.

    Me? I still enjoy healing so I'll continue to be a healer. The occasions I've played with a group capable of smoothly completing content without a healer have been few. And when I say smoothly, I mean without unnecessary deaths caused by the lack of a healer in the party. That's the role of a healer - to keep the tanks alive so they can tank, keep DPS alive so they can deal damage. A healerless group clearing content by the skin of their teeth after multiple deaths and probably a few wipes is not impressive.
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    Flora Kosaki
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    Golem
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    But they still made it, which is a problem especially since this was the same patch it released. Old ultimates from 7 years ago can't be cleared healerless yet the latest one was.
    Make all the excuses you want but the fact its possible shows that the healer role can be managed by DPS and Tanks, the healer can't even do what its made for at the top level.



    Read above



    You are engaging with the discourse you can avoid it if you want. The world doesn't revolve around you let people debate on a topic.



    Meh not even part of the strike ive been a dps main since ShB, I just support the strike because I want everyone who plays the game to have fun.
    Also its interesting to see the forums actually get a bunch of people talking, you often see the same few people.
    I am a tank that supports the strike ^^ if healers get to heal that means my job of tanking will be more engaging and fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver View Post
    People are announcing on official forums their feedback about a role they loved and have since come to find totally unenjoyable due to changes over the years. I don't agree with x or y persons feedback over some things but the amount of people so butthurt over healers giving feedback is baffling. For years they gave feedback and the most we got was go do ultimate from Yoshi P, he has since acknowledged they overdid the changes for jobs overall so now is as good a time as any to say what you don't like and why.

    Frankly players shouldn't need to announce a strike to get feedback that has been consistently appearing on this forum for years since SHB released to get some sort of attention.

    For instance I disagree with many BLM players over mana tick changes, I say good riddance. Players who disagree with me should still announce what they dislike, why and that they will stop playing x role as a result if that is the case. If nobody bothered to announce why they take the action they do nothing changes cause devs have no clue what we want. Really poor take from you.

    The trinity in casual content only being propped up by duty finder forcing a healers presence is a bad look, the hardest fight in game being cleared on content with no healer at all is a further kick in the teeth regardless how slim the margins were. Being frequently told to go solo heal x or y content if I want a challenge is terrible, because it shows how little healers are needed. Others are saying to go do pf content more and not be in groups that know what they are doing, essentially saying I and other healers shouldn't play with our statics if we want to be engaged. Just stop playing with your friends if you want some engaging combat! Honestly terrible suggestions from non healers and casual healers I've seen the past week.

    One of the core foundations of the combat in this game, the trinity, is barely present anymore and that's terrible.
    Finally someone is putting this in words far better than I ever could!
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    Last edited by BunnyQueen; 06-22-2024 at 08:23 AM.

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