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  1. 06-22-2024 05:54 AM

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    It's funny how you want to prove your point by showing one off situation with team of best players knowing fight better than layout of their room that they live in 24/7 not going out cuz of no job or social life.People who literally min maxed whole group composition to cover every raidwide, and people able to dodge every single mechanic.
    If you think its that ez to clear hard content then I dare you to clear any current tier savage raids with no healers, bah show me how you do regular extreme. If you think healers are still useless, then I dare you to go and clear ASS Savage without healer. you wont kill even 1 add before first boss.
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    Last edited by Rikka_Chu; 06-22-2024 at 06:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    I love how bad FFXIV players are, that they dont realise, it's possible to do every single dungeon in any party composition you want.
    You want to clear with no Healer? Yes you can!
    You want to clear without Tank? Yes you can!
    You want to clear with only DPS? Yes you can also do it!
    You want to clear with no DPS? Guess what!

    Whoever agrees with this silly strike, it's better if they simply quit, if they think healers are not necessary because 1 video showing something thats in game for ages right now. The problem are not healers, but literally no difficulty in regular dungeons.
    the strike is not just about healers being useless (which is also true)
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    I mean we already seen healer shortages in pf for some tier in EW... plenty healers did stop playing healer. Myself included.

    All the people saying they will still level and do occasional roulette on healer won't all be likely to fill up the pf
    Once they have levelled the job many won't touch healer again because the jobs are simply too boring in comparison to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    I'd like to point out that RDM uses both Black Magic and White Magic. Also Summoner has healing in their kit. I doubt they would've made it without at least RDM.
    Every single DPS could of been a redmage and I would still see it as a problem. The same way if it was clearable without any tanks or without any DPS. If any ultimate is clearable without one of the trinity especially if it's a brand new ultimate that shows that the balance is completely messed up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    It's funny how you want to prove your point by showing one off situation with team of best players knowing fight better than layout of their room that they live in 24/7 not going out cuz of no job or social life.
    If you think its that ez to clear hard content then I dare you to clear any current tier savage raids with no healers, bah show me how you do regular extreme. If you think healers are still useless, then I dare you to go and clear ASS Savage without healer. you wont kill even 1 add before first boss.
    This isn't about me, its about the fact its possible on current content to remove a role from play. If the game is meant to be balanced around 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 dps then it should be impossible to do it without that number.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    You want to complain about how healers work? Then instead go and complain about in game difficulty of most content that even monkey can clear. Instead of complaining about healers you should ask for more raidwides, harder raidwides, more status effects that need to be dispeled, boss having more mechanics targeting players other thank tank etc. Healers are fine as they are, its just that 90% of content in game is the real problem.
    Uh yeah these have been common complaints in the healer strike thread. Many people have said that outgoing damage should be increased and introductions of status effects should come back. Healers don't want to have a bunch of new heals or damage abilities they just want healing and damage to both be interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    Still you complain about situation, you never was, and never will be , just like 99.9% of players.
    If you'd try hard enough, you could clear right now P8S without any tanks, dps and no echo and only BiS healers. Does it make DPS and tanks obsolete?
    Idk why you're so hung up on this the fact its possible is a problem its as simple as that. I've not seen evidence of clearing P8S with only healers, please link that I would like to see. If that is real then yes thats a HUGE problem considering the enrage would be incredibly low because healer damage is lower than both tanks and DPS.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-22-2024 at 06:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    This isn't about me, its about the fact its possible on current content to remove a role from play. If the game is meant to be balanced around 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 dps then it should be impossible to do it without that number.
    Still you complain about situation, you never was, and never will be , just like 99.9% of players.
    If you'd try hard enough, you could clear right now P8S without any tanks, dps and no echo and only BiS healers. Does it make DPS and tanks obsolete?
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    You want to complain about how healers work? Then instead go and complain about in game difficulty of most content that even monkey can clear. Instead of complaining about healers you should ask for more raidwides, harder raidwides, more status effects that need to be dispeled, boss having more mechanics targeting players other thank tank etc. Healers are fine as they are, its just that 90% of content in game is the real problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    You want to complain about how healers work? Then instead go and complain about in game difficulty of most content that even monkey can clear. Instead of complaining about healers you should ask for more raidwides, harder raidwides, more status effects that need to be dispeled, boss having more mechanics targeting players other thank tank etc. Healers are fine as they are, its just that 90% of content in game is the real problem.
    Apparently there is one status effect that needs /comfort. It's the effect "Misery" in the Great Gubal Library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikka_Chu View Post
    You want to complain about how healers work? Then instead go and complain about in game difficulty of most content that even monkey can clear. Instead of complaining about healers you should ask for more raidwides, harder raidwides, more status effects that need to be dispeled, boss having more mechanics targeting players other thank tank etc. Healers are fine as they are, its just that 90% of content in game is the real problem.
    1-1-1-1-1-1-1

    "healers are fine"

    LUL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    You're skipping the part where it still took them over 200 wipes after they had refined their strategy for RNG to work in their favor with a lot of deaths just barely avoided by 2-3 HP.
    It's possible to do on the latest patch this wasn't even the patch after the raid came out. Idc if it takes 200 wipes yes it isn't optimal but it is viable. You can clear it without healers and that's a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If you don't enjoy healing, then don't heal. No one needs to announce what they like or don't like playing to the player base.
    I don't heal because it sucks, I support the strike because other people are suffering. "Don't talk about stuff you don't like just consume, don't use the forums to provide feedback of why you don't like an aspect of the game." You're being silly people are allowed to voice their opinon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    That many of the strikers are going to continue to play healer for their friends and statics shows they're what others are calling them - divas looking for attention.
    Uh yeah, looking for attention. Thats why they annouced it they want the devs attention to see that some healers are extremely unhappy with the job, congratulations you figured out what their goal is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If they were serious about not enjoying healing, they would not play healer for anyone or for any reason.
    I don't paticulary like tanking but I did a couple extremes as a tank when there wasn't one present, I did it for my friends. People tend to sacrifice enjoyment for other people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    All credit to those who are serious and are quitting healing altogether. Gaming would be in a better place if more players followed their example and stuck to playing only what they enjoyed instead of doing whatever it takes to get useless pixel rewards.
    So im confused, do you support the strike or not? Because im getting mixed messages. Do you want everyone in the strike to completely quit healing or do you want the strike to stop because you don't like divas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Me? I still enjoy healing so I'll continue to be a healer. The occasions I've played with a group capable of smoothly completing content without a healer have been few. And when I say smoothly, I mean without unnecessary deaths caused by the lack of a healer in the party. That's the role of a healer - to keep the tanks alive so they can tank, keep DPS alive so they can deal damage. A healerless group clearing content by the skin of their teeth after multiple deaths and probably a few wipes is not impressive.
    Good for you, the world doesn't revolve around you. Other people are unsatisfied with the Role and are voicing their opinon stop acting like a prima donna, if you don't like the strike or agree with it move on. who cares let people talk their piece.
    Also you're completely missing the point about why i brought up the ultimate, so ill say it in capitals this time.
    THE FACT ITS POSSIBLE TO DO A ULTIMATE RAID THE SAME PATCH IT CAME OUT WITHOUT HEALERS IS A FUNDEMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THE TRINTY BALANCE.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-22-2024 at 08:59 AM.

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