We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[GTK0HLK]

The devs: "Preserving the various Jobs' visual identity is very important to us"

Also the devs: "SCH turns into a WHM at level 100(?)"

The Sad thing about this, isn't about Preserving.

It's that people think they know the Job, but they don't.

Seraphism isn't turning into WHM, it'd turning into a High Vfx Heal Mode based on basic concepts related to Scholars.

(WHM is Light Aspected Nature skills, and communion with elementals -which are far from angels. and more akin to forest guardians/dryads)

and people are misunderstanding that.

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But agreed that they don't necessarily understand when it comes to other topics.

At least they are reluctantly worn into a position where they have to admit, it's something that they inevitably have to implement.

(At least for none AF, or at Maximum. Everything. Everything, unless its something back end. Like how GMs are Equiped. Which is fair enough to be impossible.)

[Razraptre]

I'm still generally against this.

If FFXIV's job design weren't hanging on by a thread, barely differentiated by five role categories that even still cannot seem to stay in their own lanes (looking at you, Warrior), then I would probably be for more the blurring of aesthetic lines.

But because aesthetics is pretty much all we have anymore to feel any degree of specificity or choice, I think this would trivialize the job system even more.

Put another way, I think, but for the gear limitations, a lot of players wouldn't even be bothering to play most of these other classes because combat is so boring and plays out so similarly. The restrictions incentivize players to pick up and grind other jobs in a system that otherwise does a very poor job of motivating them to do so.

I mean, if 8.0 somehow magically turned things around and restored a lot of lost job fantasy/identity (lol, fat chance), then sure my concerns would be alleviated. But I am solidly tossing this proposal, for now, into the "players don't realize what they are asking for will dilute interesting game experiences" pile along with "balance" and "accessibility."

The issue many people have is that the restrictions kill job variety within the role. SGE may benefit from a lightly armored look and SCH has a unique aesthetic as seen in their artifact sets, but both have to settle for robes because the devs think that healing = robes. Likewise, caster sets are often robes and while they may fit SMN/BLA, they feel out of place on a RDM/BLU.

On top of this, glamour sets frequently break their own conventions by giving everyone cloth (Eden sets) or plate (Law's Order sets). This is before we consider unrestricted sets like the PvP gear or casual wear. Other times the restrictions make absolutely no sense at all:



The black set is for casters, the white set is for healers, and the red set is for DoH. They're the exact same set with different color palettes. If this is an example of enforcing role identity then we should just take dyes out of the game, because it would be inappropriate for a WHM to wear red or a RDM to wear white.

Let's look at another example:



On the left we have unrestricted full plate on a SCH. Remember how Yoshi-P said this would look ridiculous? Well, too bad because this look is already in the game. In the middle is a SCH set...except it's not, it's a fending set. And the one on the right is a SMN, because the devs decided to swap things up by giving casters the white glow instead.

There is no consistency in existing glamour restrictions. Absolutely nothing of consequence is lost if we just take them out and let players wear what they want.

[Ignisa]

Lots of very good points

Mostly replying to ask if that first picture on the second row, the unrestricted fullplate, if that's still available and where? The version on the storefront leaves the upper arms bare which I consider a sin in full-plate armour.

But yes, what's there left to be said? More freedom can only bring more to the game, and any reasoning you have to gainsay that is obliterated by the bald faced truth of what options there are already. Just open it up and let us run wild. We have such beautiful outfits we could be making.

[Razraptre]

Mostly replying to ask if that first picture on the second row, the unrestricted fullplate, if that's still available and where? The version on the storefront leaves the upper arms bare which I consider a sin in full-plate armour.

The chest is indeed from the Legacy Warrior store set! However the head is Amateur's Headgear, arms are Crystarium Gauntlets, and the feet are Aurum Regis Sollerets (there are also similar pieces from the EW alliance raids).

[mallleable]

I am! I'm asking to be able to! I know a bunch of Tank Gear that would be absolutely amazing for a "Battlemage" style character that wields magic and wears heavy armour. Why should my fantasy be given less thought than furries and, lets face it, perverts?

Hell, there is even some caster gear that would work well for some "traditional" looking DRK, and GNB glams.

[Ignisa]

Nice person being nice

Here's my version. I used the sky pirate's helmet and the Rathalos boots to make something *completely* unrestricted. (Aurum regis are split between three class-based sets.) What do you think?

[Frogstone]

I want glamour unlocks, You want glamour unlocks, we all want glamour unlocks. So why Yoshi why can't we have the unlock?

I visit this site and see endless possibilities. https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/glamours

Then realise that i can only have a portion, a small portion of styles in some cases. Please unlock glamours, it will only bold well for our game.

[Zadood]

The devs: "Preserving the various Jobs' visual identity is very important to us"

Also the devs: "SCH turns into a WHM at level 100(?)"

This is such a slap into the playerbases' face.

I now starting to wandering the whole "breaking job's gear immersion" things is something only can be done by CBU3, but not by the playerbase.

In another word, only CBU3 have the priviledge to be creative about glamour, and that priviledge do not extended to us, the playerbase.

[fulminating]

It's that people think they know the Job, but they don't.

Seraphism isn't turning into WHM, it'd turning into a High Vfx Heal Mode based on basic concepts related to Scholars.

You keep repeating this and refusing to back it up. Amdapor, the white mage city nym was at war with, has the angel motif to the point that the final boss of The lost city of Amdapor (hard) is an animated angel statue. Made by the amdapori. You know, white mages. This is from before the calamity of war of the magi, and thus before the elementals were regulating the use of white magic.

Is this seraphism form intended to be scholars using their enemies knowledge against them? Is this addendum: white but weird and missing its counterpart addendum: black? If so give me that and the ability to cast Fire V.

[Zadood]

You keep repeating this and refusing to back it up. Amdapor, the white mage city nym was at war with, has the angel motif to the point that the final boss of The lost city of Amdapor (hard) is an animated angel statue. Made by the amdapori. You know, white mages. This is from before the calamity of war of the magi, and thus before the elementals were regulating the use of white magic.

Is this seraphism form intended to be scholars using their enemies knowledge against them? Is this addendum: white but weird and missing its counterpart addendum: black? If so give me that and the ability to cast Fire V.

The thing is that Scholar is a Healer from Nym nation, and White Mage is Healer from Amdapori nation, Black Mage is Caster from Mhachi nation.

It's make no sense why SCH, a healer from Nym nation, will transform into a Sin-Eater like angel from Amdapori nation. If anything, it should transfer SCH into Feo-Ul or Titania like faerie with quad, big butterfly wing instead of angelic, feathery wing.