Cancel your Dawntrail pre-orders

[Reimmi]

The general XIV community is a cult, and Yoshi P, without his consent, has been pushed into being their figurehead. Of course anything that goes against the idea of "my game is perfect" is going to upset people. It's crazy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I genuinely believe the XIV community is the most toxic community I've ever been a part of.

I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

[Kazmarek]

I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

There's such a disdain from the general casual side towards raiders that's just... weird. And it goes both ways, for sure.

But it gets bad, imo, when you have players in duties asking for help with their job. "How do I do this, how do I do that," only to get met with "oh you don't have to worry about that." So there's someone clearly wanting to learn, being told that it doesn't matter unless they're looking into higher end content. You've got people making the statement "this part is bad for X job because Y" only to get met with "so? this isn't savage." There's such a dismissal around actually getting better and improving that I've genuinely never seen from any other community, ever.

Those examples aside, look at the reaction when a bunch of WoW players started coming over. "Oh no the WoW players are coming, they're gonna make my community so much more toxic now." People hated that players were coming over from WoW. And now you see it again with XBOX players. There's a general hate towards XBOX players. And yet you see people going on and on and on about how inclusive, accepting the XIV community is. I dunno what they're smoking but I want some of it, because I certainly don't see what they're seeing.

[Azureskies01]

There's such a disdain from the general casual side towards raiders that's just... weird. And it goes both ways, for sure.

But it gets bad, imo, when you have players in duties asking for help with their job. "How do I do this, how do I do that," only to get met with "oh you don't have to worry about that." So there's someone clearly wanting to learn, being told that it doesn't matter unless they're looking into higher end content. You've got people making the statement "this part is bad for X job because Y" only to get met with "so? this isn't savage." There's such a dismissal around actually getting better and improving that I've genuinely never seen from any other community, ever.

Those examples aside, look at the reaction when a bunch of WoW players started coming over. "Oh no the WoW players are coming, they're gonna make my community so much more toxic now." People hated that players were coming over from WoW. And now you see it again with XBOX players. There's a general hate towards XBOX players. And yet you see people going on and on and on about how inclusive, accepting the XIV community is. I dunno what they're smoking but I want some of it, because I certainly don't see what they're seeing.

I hate cheaters, generally groups in PF and "raiders" cheat. By extension I hate raiders.

Xbox players are fine though, no reason to be upset at them for anything but making your leveling roulette be brayflox for the 5uy2935u32908htuaiwehgf789w time

[Ramiee]

I disagree with it being toxic. It's annoying sure, but there is far worse communities out there.
There is way too much positivity and the game being perfect going around, but again i just find that annoying, not toxic.

It has toxicity but it's hidden behind faux niceness. Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.
Or try being new in Eureka and instant pulling a fate suddenly the positive community will start getting pretty negative.
My friend experienced both of these when he started playing just because he wasn't engrained with stupid discord servers.

[Tsurayu]

If I had the spare cash I'd buy extra copies in spite of you.

I'm excited for Dawntrail and the jobs.

[Jojoya]

Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.

Report them. Even as someone who's part of the organized hunt community, I get sick of watching people harass others who are hunting as the developers intend for the hunt to be done. I encourage hunters to work with the organized community but I will also defend their right not to.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV - ■Nuisance behavior - ◆Offensive expression
"Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm."

[Kathryn]

It has toxicity but it's hidden behind faux niceness. Try being a new player who hunts a old S rank then the hunt train people will start raging at you if they find you.
Or try being new in Eureka and instant pulling a fate suddenly the positive community will start getting pretty negative.
My friend experienced both of these when he started playing just because he wasn't engrained with stupid discord servers.

Although I am not a new player I have also experienced the Hunt rage because i killed something named during a fate thinking it was apart of the fate, the amount of hate i got kept going so I stopped playing for a while, but its one of the content features I will not touch and I absolutely despise at this point.

[Tsurayu]

Report them. Even as someone who's part of the organized hunt community, I get sick of watching people harass others who are hunting as the developers intend for the hunt to be done. I encourage hunters to work with the organized community but I will also defend their right not to.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV - ■Nuisance behavior - ◆Offensive expression
"Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm."

Yeah no kidding.

I've got harassed lately for killing Stormblood A ranks the last few months regardless of the time of day. Even had one person threaten to report me to a GM. I decided not to fight with in order to not give them something they actually could report me over, but I knew that all I was doing was playing the game so even if they did report me there wasn't a single thing that a GM was going to do about it.

I'm honestly hoping the level and gear creep of Dawntrail will eliminate the Centurio Hunt Trains.

Organized hunts are fine and all, but Stormblood A ranks are easily soloed and you aren't going to tell me I can't kill it myself because maybe a Centurio train might show up in a couple of hours.

[Jirah]

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

[LianaThorne]

Your talking to crazy people. Some of these people have been subbed for nearly a decade. If they quit now, theyll have to face the monumental waste of physical time they spent on a game that ran dry. And its easier to stay subbed and lick the boots.

Just look at Pokemon, bunch of man-children wanna stay in the nostalgia circle rather than admit the billion dollar company cant design a map to save their life, much less a game.

I feel like it's a bit ironic to come at people who have been subbed for almost a decade while having a join date of 2017 yourself lol.

I assume you're still subbed to the game or did you come out of retirement just for this post?