New Benchmark (June): Au Ra Feedback

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@Plushy

A. Even if you're being very thorough in your data gathering, it is still biased. You're only looking at Twitter and the forums. I imagine you're only looking for specific keywords. Not everyone is on Twitter or the forums. Not everyone is using the keywords you searched with. The results you get on Twitter depend on an algorithm (and from my own experience, sometimes I search for my own tweets and I can't find them in the live version, when I can find them with the search engine in my archive files.)
You don't have access to all the social media accounts, the discord conversations, the brains of 30 millions of players.
I gave tons of other reasons in my first reply, like: we have no idea how many people are even aware of the graphics update, it's very possible tons of people will only find out what's going on in 3-4 weeks after release.


B. Because you're working with biased data, your conclusions become biased as a result.

If someone can't do the benchmark and give their opinion then they just can't be counted and even if you want to count them. It could swing both ways, they could be happy or sad about the change which is why I didn't reply both times so what if about 70% like the changes? and honestly a lot of the console players tend to get their friend to create it for them.
Also I'm aware of the differences in how JP and EN use the forums but in the end, they all still reply the same and both give out opinions and it isn't that much of a huge difference between the two other than JP liking comments WAY more likely than EN. They're not THAT much difference other than EN also being more aggressive more often as well and don't post in compact threads and rather make their own threads.

Its actually not that easy (in fact its actually hard) to get viability and reach on twitter unless you're already big with around 5k followers or more.
The fact that most of the accounts I linked have less than that shows just how much people liked the new au ra, so though you're correct its not a totally 1:1 its still valid for comparison, more so because most the accounts I linked are not big accounts with large followings.
This on top of HUGE amount of likes with 5k which isn't common for a ff14 post btw (average like range is really low with I want to say 100+ being the highest if heavily edited) and again just shows you how much people think the new au ra looks great.

There are also first time posters coming onto the forums, more so for the Japanese side, so the reach on the forums for ffxiv things is decent and a lot of people will see it, the jp thread about the character changes have 1mill views, so comparatively, you have a better chance getting noticed on that thread than twitter.
So I do want to repeat yes its not 1:1 but its still usable just due to ffxiv posts on X normally don't do all that well and the fact these did do extremely (I need to repeat just how much 5k is a MASSIVE amount) well even though its SFW and just mug shots basically, shows people like this change and a majority of people that comment do actually play ffxiv and though probably a ton of the likes are not ffxiv players, it could be future FFXIV players which is what SE wants, so if au ra good looks can bring in new players its a win-win.

Everything I highlighted in there is bias. It's your own perspective, your own observations, from a very small fraction of players, from a very small fraction of opinions, and/or based on your own experience. You can try to argue about this as much as you want, but these are not objective facts, and you cannot draw objective conclusions from them.

C. The real problem is this:

But rather than just trying to deflect my findings why not try to counter it with your own findings? because I'm convinced that more people are in favor of the new au ra than old just based on X/reddit posts alone.

Since the fourms is usually negative I can't find much proof here if you wanted me to find positive posts here rather than looking else where.

I don't need you to to find more positive posts. I don't need to look for findings to counter your reasoning.
From the beginning, your reasoning is flawed. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's a reasoning that makes no sense to begin with.
You're comparing incredibly vague positive reactions to feedback and requests for improvement on very specific things, trying to force them against each other in an extremely binary "do people like the new au ra yes/no" statement.

So what if "more people are in favor of the new Au ra"? Does it mean that all the feedback people have been giving is entirely invalid? Does it mean that, through a democratic power based entirely on your own subjective and biased data, the opinion of people who think there is room for improvement should be completely disregarded?
What exactly are you hoping to prove? (this is a rhetorical question btw, don't answer that, just think about it)

D. I'm not in your brain, but I think the reason you're persisting so much in your reasoning is because you feel threatened. You're not used to seeing this much criticism (well, then again the EN forums are a beast in itself), you love the new appearance, and you are afraid that you might lose the thing you're happy you just got.

Like I said before, I totally get it. That's also why I'm persisting so much in my own feedback too.

But this is clouding your judgement, and making you polarize things in a "these people say the new Au ra is good" vs "these people say the new Au ra is bad", in a good vs evil kind of way. You feel an obligation to fight back against the wave of "negative" feedback to protect the thing you love.
And so you want to prove that "no, there are "good" opinions too, and there are a lot more, and therefore you should not listen to the "negative" feedback, because they're wrong!".
And in an attempt to prove that, you're gathering more and more data of "good" opinions, and in truth what you're really doing is just getting stuck in your own reasoning, because "see! they agree with me! therefore I must be right!" (that one is called confirmation bias btw) and shutting down every other argument that might threaten your reasoning.

And then you end up making absurd statements like this:

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that. But even if I am, just by reading that I don't agree.

... How can you categorically disagree with me if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Anyway. Calm down, don't worry about the "negative" feedback too much, there's no time to make any drastic changes before 7.0 hits anyway, so you'll most likely get what you saw in the benchmark (probably even better, since some bug submissions have been accepted already).
If you're extremely particular about something you like in the new benchmark that you do not want to change at all, it's definitely worth talking about it in detail. Pointing out the good in something is always helpful, because this way people know what is worth keeping, and what still needs to be adjusted.
But it will be, first and foremost, your own opinion. And just like everybody else's opinion, no matter if you agree with it or not, it's up to the devs to listen to it or not.