With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[Azureskies01]

I'll keep repeating it because I apparently have to, but there is a very big difference between minor client tweaks that addon APIs allow, and the potential game breaking modifications third party tools are capable of.

In the ToS there is no difference between harmless mods gear mods and 1 button rotation mods. It is all the same. I don't know why I have to keep repeating the same thing to cheat apologists. It just seems like they can't reason for themselves and just want the game to be easy or look how they want and not how SE wants.

[Saraide]

In the ToS there is no difference between harmless mods gear mods and 1 button rotation mods. It is all the same. I don't know why I have to keep repeating the same thing to cheat apologists. It just seems like they can't reason for themselves and just want the game to be easy or look how they want and not how SE wants.

Are you the TOS? The TOS are a rule set, not a holy scripture telling you how to think.

[Baingoleth]

The danger with kernel-level anti cheat is that it provides a potential angle of attack for hackers with easy access to your entire system.
We've seen it just this year with Apex Legends, where hackers were able to run cheat programs on participants' clients in an official tournament. And that's a mild exploit compared to what they could do with ring 0 access.

It's cool that you understand this. I think a lot of users just don't know how computers work beyond how to operate the GUI and they don't know good opsec.

I remember when I started using Linux I went into IRC as root on my newly installed system. I was quickly hacked. It was a whitehat thankfully who was sending messages to VT/1 telling me to NEVER run IRC as root. I was running ircii and there was a vulnerability. I'll never forget that lesson and I guard root carefully.

And is user level anti-cheat software really working well? If it was working well I wouldn't be encountering Linux gamers who are annoyed recently because Valorant and Call of Duty stopped working in Linux and even not working in a Windows VM guest. Cheaters have been just using ring 0 to get around the anti-cheat software and Linux is blocked now. So now Linux gamers who were playing fair can't play those games or they're booting into Windows on bare metal.

Ring 0 is the only way to ensure no cheating on the client side but that's not safe. Running cheat software that you got from some guy at ring 0 isn't safe either.

To me the issue looks like it can't be solved on the client side without losing players who won't tolerate such measures due to security concerns. I don't want to see any anti-cheat at ring 0 or any user level ring. I don't like what I've seen with games breaking because of it on Linux, even in the last few weeks. FFXIV is running great on Linux right now and I'm happy. Cheaters don't bother me at all anyway. I just don't care. I'm too busy having fun in FFXIV to be concerned with some people who got a clear with cheats. It doesn't affect me at all. And the game just works. If it stops working in Linux, I'll stop playing. And that's my concern. I'm seeing anti-cheat breaking games in Linux again and I don't want that to happen to FFXIV.

[Azureskies01]

I don't want to see any anti-cheat at ring 0 or any user level ring. I don't like what I've seen with games breaking because of it on Linux, even in the last few weeks. FFXIV is running great on Linux right now and I'm happy. Cheaters don't bother me at all anyway. I just don't care. I'm too busy having fun in FFXIV to be concerned with some people who got a clear with cheats. It doesn't affect me at all. [/IMG]

What games? For how long? what distros are effected? How were they launching the game? Through Lutris or Steam, or hooking into steam through lutris or another launcher? Like you say things that can't be argued against because you'll just say "trust me bro".

Also I'm glad you don't give a -redacted- but ya know what, lots of people do and I for one would love to be able to go into CC and know that people aren't cheating but I can't and it has to change.

Are you the TOS? The TOS are a rule set, not a holy scripture telling you how to think.

Considering every single person that has ever logged onto the game has agreed to the very same "rule set" then yeah it is pretty much the bible for FFXIV. To think otherwise is just plain -redacted-

[LianaThorne]

How big compared to the people who play for the game's content (MSQ, Sidequests, dailies, ect.)?



And that's a bad thing.



And how often do you go around asking new players?

I mean, that's a big question. You have people who play solely for MSQ expansion launches for story and then dip until a patch or two before the new expansion to catch up. You have people who play this game to raid and then leave when they clear and come back for the next tier. I don't know anyone who plays this game for dailies and I'd probably question their sanity if they did, same with playing solely for sidequests that give you 300 xp and 5 gil. Achievement hunters exist but I see more complaints about how achievements work here/asking for it to be updated than I do about people being excited to grind 5k kills for a title.

Meanwhile you can go to any DC really and see venue ads being posted at all hours of the day. Crystal alone gets 50-100+ during prime time on PF but I know Aether also gets some traffic. Balmung shout chat is basically a dating app and hundreds of people crowd in Ul'Dah to get laid, I encourage you to go to the Quicksand to check it out if you haven't before. Venues are packed depending on who they hire to DJ, not to mention the obvious fact that people are making IRL cash/gil by working at these venues (As I said in a previous thread, you can find people advertising video call services now that charge actual money for it, I assume birthed from the chick that's been selling her feet pics for years now.

I'm not sure where I ever said that it was good. I said that it's a large part of the game's community now and that's a hill I'll gladly die on.

Unsure if Mare's census still exists too but last I saw/heard it was bordering on 40-50k active users at most hours but I wouldn't be shocked if it's larger now considering how openly people are using mods, even content creator wise (Feel free to go down that YouTube rabbit hole if you'd like). 40-50k is on par or way over the amount of people using Steam for 14 per month, as a comparison (currently sitting at 20k but has reached higher). Not to mention how some nude mods have hundreds of thousands of downloads and several modders are making a living off creating sex mods and having a Patreon/Ko-fi for them.

As for how often I ask, I am a mentor with access to Novice Network. I give out gil to new players whenever I am online (once or twice a week these days) and ask if there's anything I can help with or what their goals are. I have gil I don't need so I'd rather give it to newbies and feel useful/help with their progression, hence why I have these conversations.

[Vallerie]

(yes cosmetic addons are cheats, you are supposed to earn or pay for cosmetics)

This one is so funny to me because many/most cosmetic mod users are also among those who care the most about what their character looks like to non-mod users, and as a result are among the most glam hunty, most mogstore spendy players out there.

[Sayo_]

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There's a couple of factors you're not accounting for. Such as new players going through the MSQ. You say you're on the NN only once or twice a week so you only speak to a small handful of sprouts. There are plenty of sprouts who aren't in the NN, I was one of them as were many of my friends.

Also venue ads being posted all hours of the day isn't indicative of how popular something is. It just means someone is running ads for their own venue, paying someone to do it, or botting it. Regardless one day I decided to check out some of the venues on advertisement. This was some time ago but it was during prime time. And in visiting 5 different venues the total amount of people was about 100 spread throughout all 5 houses.

In conclusion I do not believe that modders are a majority, but a loud minority of players.

[Graveyardprincess]

Are you the TOS? The TOS are a rule set, not a holy scripture telling you how to think.

rules exist so we know who are the nerdy geeks to kick in the back since they follow them so hardcore

(im joking btw) dont take it seriouse

[Azureskies01]

This one is so funny to me because many/most cosmetic mod users are also among those who care the most about what their character looks like to non-mod users, and as a result are among the most glam hunty, most mogstore spendy players out there.

Yeah I'm not sure you know how gear mods work, people that use mare don't farm or buy a -redacted- thing because they can just put it on their character anyway.

People that have no choice but to farm the gear for glam are the ones that spend money on the store. Try again.

[aiqa]

Yeah I'm not sure you know how gear mods work, people that use mare don't farm or buy a -redacted- thing because they can just put it on their character anyway.

People that have no choice but to farm the gear for glam are the ones that spend money on the store. Try again.

Can you expand a bit on those insight?

How much money does an average person spend in the store? And how much does that differ between people who do or don't use cosmetic mods?

And adding some more specific metrics would be nice. How likely is a person that cares a lot about their the looks of character to dable in cosmetic mods, compared to a person that doesn't care as much? How often does an person that cares a lot about the looks of their character also care about how others perceive that character, compared to people who don't care as much about the looks of their character? How would that impact store purchases of glams?