So, what do the JP players think?

[MisterNublet]

Gonna need a citation for that last part there bud, cuz that sounds like western players to me lol.

Eh, I'm not even gonna bother looking through +4 years of content and threads. Someone posted either here or on reddit the JP community's thoughts on the state of healers and was told healers should only heal, then asked about tanks (and dps's) broken self/party sustain and was told it was a great thing cause they wouldn't have to "feel like a burden". It was around all the drama when tanks were clearing savage fights without healers and clearing ultimates with 0-1 healer.

Pretty sure West wants nerfs to self-sustain. We weren't asking for tank/dps mitigation buffs and second wind buffs that was shown in the Live Letter.

[TaleraRistain]

Eh, I'm not even gonna bother looking through +4 years of content and threads. Someone posted either here or on reddit the JP community's thoughts on the state of healers and was told healers should only heal, then asked about tanks (and dps's) broken self/party sustain and was told it was a great thing cause they wouldn't have to "feel like a burden". It was around all the drama when tanks were clearing savage fights without healers and clearing ultimates with 0-1 healer.

Pretty sure West wants nerfs to self-sustain. We weren't asking for tank/dps mitigation buffs and second wind buffs that was shown in the Live Letter.

Wow I mean I am definitely a "dps as windows allow and don't ignore your main role" mentality but what do they think they should do in parties if they think healers should only heal but also think tanks and dps should be able to exist without them?

[PercibelTheren]

Eh, I'm not even gonna bother looking through +4 years of content and threads. Someone posted either here or on reddit the JP community's thoughts on the state of healers and was told healers should only heal, then asked about tanks (and dps's) broken self/party sustain and was told it was a great thing cause they wouldn't have to "feel like a burden". It was around all the drama when tanks were clearing savage fights without healers and clearing ultimates with 0-1 healer.

Pretty sure West wants nerfs to self-sustain. We weren't asking for tank/dps mitigation buffs and second wind buffs that was shown in the Live Letter.

I can't speak Japanese myself and got this from a friend, so take it with a huge bag of salt but I've been told that while my social circles love to complain about garbage tanks not pressing their mitigation buttons, apparently the big topic in JP is healers not healing, so they want tanks to be able to keep themselves alive? Again, can't verify it.

[Iscah]

I can't speak Japanese myself and got this from a friend, so take it with a huge bag of salt but I've been told that while my social circles love to complain about garbage tanks not pressing their mitigation buttons, apparently the big topic in JP is healers not healing, so they want tanks to be able to keep themselves alive? Again, can't verify it.

So is that perhaps driven by the prevailing attitude in English speakers that you should try to heal as little as possible and let people's HP get as low as it safely can? Or do the Japanese players do that too?

If there's a mismatch in how different cultures think the healer should be acting, I can see that being a source of them getting spooked, JP tanks ask for more self-sustain and get it, EN "calculated minimum" healers see this as a reason to keep the tank even less healed up, and it turns into a vicious cycle driving both role designs to a weird place?

[PercibelTheren]

So is that perhaps driven by the prevailing attitude in English speakers that you should try to heal as little as possible and let people's HP get as low as it safely can? Or do the Japanese players do that too?

If there's a mismatch in how different cultures think the healer should be acting, I can see that being a source of them getting spooked, JP tanks ask for more self-sustain and get it, EN "calculated minimum" healers see this as a reason to keep the tank even less healed up, and it turns into a vicious cycle driving both role designs to a weird place?

Do most healers actually do "calculated minimum", though? Not in my experience. Most healers I see don't try to keep the tanks topped off but they do try to keep their HP reasonably high. It's not like EN healers are constantly keeping tanks with their trigger finger on their invulns.