ARR or Heavensward Classic

[Nebelheim]

I would never play on it because ye olden days are absolute garbage. But I fully support this idea if it gets the homogenization whiners to clam down at last as they enjoy their miserable garbage rotations that are ~*so player expressive and complicated*~. And also laugh at warrior mains as they yearn for death until like 2.1.

Yeah because the simplified dumbed down jobs where you mostly do a single 1-2-3 rotation and a burst is so much better. I rather go back to a time we had more than one rotation and a burst phase then mindlessly spam the same set of skills. Healers and tanks have become so boring and mindless I don't play them anymore other than just to level them to have something to level.

[Aravell]

If prior to Shadowbringers, they had explained that one of the QoL changes that would be removed from healers was any and all forms of fun, I can tell you what my answer would've been...

"We see that healers have been having too much fun with encounter and job design, so we will be removing damage from fights and also removing all healer downtime tools. Please look forward to it."

[xivYuiM]

If they released HW classic I would never sub to the main game again. They ruined combat in 4.0 and it has gotten worse with every patch since. There are obviously a lot of QoL things that have gotten better like resetting CDs on wipe, glam dresser, world travel, etc. but I would forsake all of it in a heartbeat if it meant I could enjoy the game again.

[Arkdra]

Yeah because the simplified dumbed down jobs where you mostly do a single 1-2-3 rotation and a burst is so much better. I rather go back to a time we had more than one rotation and a burst phase then mindlessly spam the same set of skills. Healers and tanks have become so boring and mindless I don't play them anymore other than just to level them to have something to level.

Please outline what you think ARR paladin played like. What was their actual rotation? What erstwhile depth that was there and isn't now do you perceive?

Edit: And if you say aggro management I am just going to disregard you because aggro management was not and never has been complex in ff14.

[Nebelheim]

Please outline what you think ARR paladin played like. What was their actual rotation? Where erstwhile depth that was there and isn't now do you perceive?

The heavansward paladin had a dot rotation and goring blade rotation which is when all tanks had 2 rotations. And what depth does jobs have now other then spam 1-2-3 until burst phase and occasionally provide raid wide buffs. There is no depth or challenge in modern shadowbringers/endwalkers 2 minute meta stage of the games life and the current combat caters to the lowest common denominator because people look at games like wow and don't want more then a single rotation.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The heavansward paladin had a dot rotation and goring blade rotation which is when all tanks had 2 rotations. And what depth does jobs have now other then spam 1-2-3 until burst phase and occasionally provide raid wide buffs. There is no depth or challenge in modern shadowbringers/endwalkers 2 minute meta stage of the games life and the current combat caters to the lowest common denominator because people look at games like wow and don't want more then a single rotation.

I think you mistook combo for rotation.



3.x PLD was incredibly simple. It was hardly more complex than 2.x PLD.



Current PLD is far more complex in terms of job mechanics.

[Nebelheim]

I think you mistook combo for rotation.



3.x PLD was incredibly simple. It was hardly more complex than 2.x PLD.



Current PLD is far more complex in terms of job mechanics.

I consider current paladin and tank job mechanics are simple and not very complex but it could also be because I been playing tanks for a long time.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I consider current paladin and tank job mechanics are simple and not very complex but it could also be because I been playing tanks for a long time.

3.x PLD was going blade combo, spam royal authority combo until going blade is going to wear off, reapply.



Not something I'd call complex.

[Nebelheim]

3.x PLD was going blade combo, spam royal authority combo until going blade is going to wear off, reapply.



Not something I'd call complex.

Current paladin also isn't very complex either and not very hard to play. None of the jobs currently are complex. The only content that really test jobs currently is savage and ultimates and even then none of the jobs are really complex and relies more on group synergey.

[xivYuiM]

And if you say aggro management I am just going to disregard you because aggro management was not and never has been complex in ff14.

Easily one of the worst takes I have ever seen about this game. Removing aggro as a mechanic instantly ruined tanking for the next 5-6 years or however long it has been.