ARR or Heavensward Classic

[Arkdra]

I would never play on it because ye olden days are absolute garbage. But I fully support this idea if it gets the homogenization whiners to clam down at last as they enjoy their miserable garbage rotations that are ~*so player expressive and complicated*~. And also laugh at warrior mains as they yearn for death until like 2.1.

[Chelsei]

I would never play on it because ye olden days are absolute garbage. But I fully support this idea if it gets the homogenization whiners to clam down at last as they enjoy their miserable garbage rotations that are ~*so player expressive and complicated*~. And also laugh at warrior mains as they yearn for death until like 2.1.

The last part was gold ! XD

[Nebelheim]

I would never play on it because ye olden days are absolute garbage. But I fully support this idea if it gets the homogenization whiners to clam down at last as they enjoy their miserable garbage rotations that are ~*so player expressive and complicated*~. And also laugh at warrior mains as they yearn for death until like 2.1.

Yeah because the simplified dumbed down jobs where you mostly do a single 1-2-3 rotation and a burst is so much better. I rather go back to a time we had more than one rotation and a burst phase then mindlessly spam the same set of skills. Healers and tanks have become so boring and mindless I don't play them anymore other than just to level them to have something to level.

[Arkdra]

Yeah because the simplified dumbed down jobs where you mostly do a single 1-2-3 rotation and a burst is so much better. I rather go back to a time we had more than one rotation and a burst phase then mindlessly spam the same set of skills. Healers and tanks have become so boring and mindless I don't play them anymore other than just to level them to have something to level.

Please outline what you think ARR paladin played like. What was their actual rotation? What erstwhile depth that was there and isn't now do you perceive?

Edit: And if you say aggro management I am just going to disregard you because aggro management was not and never has been complex in ff14.

[Nebelheim]

Please outline what you think ARR paladin played like. What was their actual rotation? Where erstwhile depth that was there and isn't now do you perceive?

The heavansward paladin had a dot rotation and goring blade rotation which is when all tanks had 2 rotations. And what depth does jobs have now other then spam 1-2-3 until burst phase and occasionally provide raid wide buffs. There is no depth or challenge in modern shadowbringers/endwalkers 2 minute meta stage of the games life and the current combat caters to the lowest common denominator because people look at games like wow and don't want more then a single rotation.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The heavansward paladin had a dot rotation and goring blade rotation which is when all tanks had 2 rotations. And what depth does jobs have now other then spam 1-2-3 until burst phase and occasionally provide raid wide buffs. There is no depth or challenge in modern shadowbringers/endwalkers 2 minute meta stage of the games life and the current combat caters to the lowest common denominator because people look at games like wow and don't want more then a single rotation.

I think you mistook combo for rotation.



3.x PLD was incredibly simple. It was hardly more complex than 2.x PLD.



Current PLD is far more complex in terms of job mechanics.

[Nebelheim]

I think you mistook combo for rotation.



3.x PLD was incredibly simple. It was hardly more complex than 2.x PLD.



Current PLD is far more complex in terms of job mechanics.

I consider current paladin and tank job mechanics are simple and not very complex but it could also be because I been playing tanks for a long time.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I consider current paladin and tank job mechanics are simple and not very complex but it could also be because I been playing tanks for a long time.

3.x PLD was going blade combo, spam royal authority combo until going blade is going to wear off, reapply.



Not something I'd call complex.

[xivYuiM]

And if you say aggro management I am just going to disregard you because aggro management was not and never has been complex in ff14.

Easily one of the worst takes I have ever seen about this game. Removing aggro as a mechanic instantly ruined tanking for the next 5-6 years or however long it has been.

[Arkdra]

Easily one of the worst takes I have ever seen about this game. Removing aggro as a mechanic instantly ruined tanking for the next 5-6 years or however long it has been.

Oh yeah, because doing a couple of threat combos and then switching off of tank stance for the rest of the fight, wholly ignoring said threat combo after was super engaging. This mechanic that was meaningless to competent players but a massive stumbling block for the bad ones was definitely a load-bearing mechanic.

Oh wait, no. The removal of threat as a relevant mechanic is probably the single greatest qol feature added to this game outside of the glam dresser. What was previously the number one source of vote kicks and abandons vanished overnight. Not only were tanks holding threat consistently, I also never had to deal with the middling nervous tank who sandbags their dps 25% or however much it was for the whole dungeon by never leaving tank stance.