Bring Back Kaiten

[Arkdra]

We already know it isn't coming back or else it would have been used on the new ogi shown in the benchmark.

Good riddance.

Hell yeah, glad kaiten stays dead. That said, disappointed they didn't add something else to interact with the kenki gauge.

[nguyentri11]

Hell yeah, glad kaiten stays dead. That said, disappointed they didn't add something else to interact with the kenki gauge.

The new conal move shown after Ogi Namikiri does consume 50 Kenki.

[Arkdra]

The new conal move shown after Ogi Namikiri does consume 50 Kenki.

Dang how did I miss that, thanks for pointing it out!

[RyuuZero]

The new conal move shown after Ogi Namikiri does consume 50 Kenki.

even I missed that xDD but it will change nothing^^; since Ikishoten gives you 50 Kenki^^ it's just more 2min fluff

[Jaydarksol]

So they create something so clean as Viper but leave SAM in its current condition. This is so disappointing, I will hold my major judgments till dawntrail release but SAM looks boring as hell compared to all these other classes.

[RyuuZero]

So they create something so clean as Viper but leave SAM in its current condition. This is so disappointing, I will hold my major judgments till dawntrail release but SAM looks boring as hell compared to all these other classes.

I agree, the Iaijutsu changes will do nothing and Kenki.. it's just a Shinten Gauge I mean.. I guess I'll rewatch the Job Trailer again one day but there was nothing

[HikariKurosawa]

welp.. 2 more years of spamming Shinten.. but also.. who had the Idea of turning Tsubame into a follow up to Meikyo!? Tsubame should be a Follow Up to Iaijutsu!!

I wrote combat macros that make more sense that this crap!
the Buffed Iaijutsu things may look fancy but it won't change a thing!
It looks like SAM got the Dragoon Changes from 6.1.. you know.. the DRG Changes they reverted shortly after? .. from what I saw.. Man! I cannot wait for Patch 7.05!

Shinten is beautiful in samurai because it is the icing on the cake of an iaijutsu execution. Maybe there is more optimal usage of it, but you will never cap on kenki by simply using shinten after every iaijutsu and that's a beautiful thing. It is the conclusion of every combo string we execute and just makes sense. It adds a lightning fast feeling animation cancel to iaijutsu that gets you right back into your next combo string.

If you are feeling like you are "spamming shinten" maybe you don't actually appreciate the job.

They also did make tsubame into a followup to iaijutsu most likely. There is an option to tie certain skills together into the same keybind without a macro now. It would make sense that iaijutsu and tsubame are included in that.

These doomer takes just make you sound like you're not a fan of playing samurai I'm not gonna lie.

On top of that, you call it a shinten gauge yet it's also used for kyuten, senai, guren, and the new ogi finisher. Just cut it out, if you want to be unhappy then just move along and be as you are.

[RyuuZero]

Shinten is beautiful in samurai because it is the icing on the cake of an iaijutsu execution. Maybe there is more optimal usage of it, but you will never cap on kenki by simply using shinten after every iaijutsu and that's a beautiful thing. It is the conclusion of every combo string we execute and just makes sense. It adds a lightning fast feeling animation cancel to iaijutsu that gets you right back into your next combo string.

If you are feeling like you are "spamming shinten" maybe you don't actually appreciate the job.

They also did make tsubame into a followup to iaijutsu most likely. There is an option to tie certain skills together into the same keybind without a macro now. It would make sense that iaijutsu and tsubame are included in that.

On top of that, you call it a shinten gauge yet it's also used for kyuten, senai, guren, and the new ogi finisher. Just cut it out, if you want to be unhappy then just move along and be as you are.

The Difference is that I loved Samurai since it's release in Stormblood, you started to like Samurai when they removed the Key Kenki Skill. And There was a lot of Samurai Stuff over the Years I disliked, for example: Remember Hagakure over Midare? or The Shadowbringers Launch Shoha? I disliked those but they didn't reduced the Kenki Resource unlike the Kaiten Removal, so please tell me: how is it a bad thing that Kenki used to interact with Weaponskills? You know, this is why I've gone back to training Aikido, because if I actively breath into my techniques, my technicques become more effective. That Real Life Aspect was captured by Kaiten perfectly. Shinten was just added to skim off excess Kenki and Kyuten is just an AoE Shinten, and if you've noticed Ikishoten aswells as Senei and Guren are all on 2 minutes. Which means that the Kenki Costs of Senei and Guren are covered by Ikishoten. Or in Otherwords, there would be no change if they decide to Remove Kenki entirely and give us Shinten Ready Procs and Ikishoten is the Senei/Guren Ready Trigger. I tell you my Prediction for the Dawntrail 2 minute routine of the Samurai: Senei/Guren -> Ikishoten > Ogi Namikiri > Kaeshi Namikiri > The New Skill and it well require only 25 Kenki with no Weaponskill interaction what so ever. Also! Kaiten worked on Ogi Namikiri and it was Great! I'm not again change, but the guaranteed Crit Buffs do absolutely nothing to improve the Feel of the Samurai.. which is why I suggestion Kaiten to grant Direct Hit to the Next Weaponskill. So every Good Samurai constantly Direct Crits as an Reward for Good Kenki Management.

[RyuuZero]

These doomer takes just make you sound like you're not a fan of playing samurai I'm not gonna lie.

Doomer Takes!? You're maybe picking fights with a vocal minority but we, especially I detailed the Impact of the Kaiten Removal and the Ripple Effect to the Samurai Gameplay for YEARS! And You never enjoyed Samurai when it was actual Good. Now you're only here to defend your Shinten Spam, meanwhile we're getting louder. I do this because I love the Samurai and I want the Synergy, that made that Job so dynamic back! You just want to Spam Shinten instead^^

[HikariKurosawa]

The Difference is that I loved Samurai since it's release in Stormblood, you started to like Samurai when they removed the Key Kenki Skill. And There was a lot of Samurai Stuff over the Years I disliked, for example: Remember Hagakure over Midare? or The Shadowbringers Launch Shoha? I disliked those but they didn't reduced the Kenki Resource unlike the Kaiten Removal, so please tell me: how is it a bad thing that Kenki used to interact with Weaponskills? You know, this is why I've gone back to training Aikido, because if I actively breath into my techniques, my technicques become more effective. That Real Life Aspect was captured by Kaiten perfectly. Shinten was just added to skim off excess Kenki and Kyuten is just an AoE Shinten, and if you've noticed Ikishoten aswells as Senei and Guren are all on 2 minutes. Which means that the Kenki Costs of Senei and Guren are covered by Ikishoten. Or in Otherwords, there would be no change if they decide to Remove Kenki entirely and give us Shinten Ready Procs and Ikishoten is the Senei/Guren Ready Trigger. I tell you my Prediction for the Dawntrail 2 minute routine of the Samurai: Senei/Guren -> Ikishoten > Ogi Namikiri > Kaeshi Namikiri > The New Skill and it well require only 25 Kenki with no Weaponskill interaction what so ever. Also! Kaiten worked on Ogi Namikiri and it was Great! I'm not again change, but the guaranteed Crit Buffs do absolutely nothing to improve the Feel of the Samurai.. which is why I suggestion Kaiten to grant Direct Hit to the Next Weaponskill. So every Good Samurai constantly Direct Crits as an Reward for Good Kenki Management.

lil bro is pretending I never used kaiten or liked samurai until it was removed.

I'm not going to let one skill get in the way of my enjoyment of a job, but I definitely think the job was significantly improved when they removed kaiten.

Talking about aikido, honestly you're just a broken record at this point and it's boring to engage with you. Keep crying for a skill that isn't coming back. Keep yapping.

Also, ikishoten doesn't cover senei/guren anymore. the 50 kenki goes toward the third ogi skill. On top of the cooldown reduction trait we're getting for senei/guren.

If you no longer enjoy samurai because kaiten was removed, you're free to play another job. Maybe you just liked swinging your sword around like a weeb and didn't really enjoy samurai? I enjoyed samurai with kaiten and I enjoy it more without it. You can't say the same so who is the real one?