Positionals

[Aravell]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

As for a replacement system, maybe using any of the avatar's attacks will latch the avatar onto the enemy and using any attack that consumes soul reaver stacks from the same position as the avatar will cause it to attack too. Basically you can control where this "positional" is, it also allows you to just camp one side and just never move if you want.

[HikariKurosawa]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

As for a replacement system, maybe using any of the avatar's attacks will latch the avatar onto the enemy and using any attack that consumes soul reaver stacks from the same position as the avatar will cause it to attack too. Basically you can control where this "positional" is, it also allows you to just camp one side and just never move if you want.

At the end of the day, people should play jobs because they enjoy the rpg fantasy of it, not because it doesn't have an annoying gameplay mechanic. Alienating people who want to play samurai or ninja is far worse than alienating people who want to move left or right for half a second once or twice in their entire rotation.

I will just not do positionals regardless and the overall level of play will be lower in the community because it's simply not fun. I'm not going to play a job I don't want to play just because it doesn't have positionals. I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.

[Aravell]

At the end of the day, people should play jobs because they enjoy the rpg fantasy of it, not because it doesn't have an annoying gameplay mechanic. Alienating people who want to play samurai or ninja is far worse than alienating people who want to move left or right for half a second once or twice in their entire rotation.

I will just not do positionals regardless and the overall level of play will be lower in the community because it's simply not fun. I'm not going to play a job I don't want to play just because it doesn't have positionals. I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.

It may be annoying to you, but enjoyable to others. That's what preferences are. Most people pick the job they want to play according to the playstyle of the job, like it or not, positionals are part of the playstyle of the melee DPS role. People who want to play samurai and ninja are not being alienated by positionals existing as they can completely ignore them, but a mechanic of a job/role being taken out will alienate people.

In the end, nobody sane is demanding that randoms in their party hit all their positionals or get kicked, so if you personally hate the existence of positionals, you can safely ignore them.

[VeolE]

I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.

Highlighted the crucial key parts. If more people can think like that, then maybe we wouldn't need to bring up these "positional" threads in the first place.

[Kathryn]

Highlighted the crucial key parts. If more people can think like that, then maybe we wouldn't need to bring up these "positional" threads in the first place.

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

[Aco505]

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

Positionals are not required to clear any content, and especially not dungeons. For those, AoE is what will make things noticeably faster during trash pulls and just normal single target rotations during bosses. That tank was just being a bit silly.

[ZiraZ]

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

I just can't believe this happened just purely because of positionals, mostly because it seems almost impossible to keep track of people doing positionals in a dungeon because it's mostly AOE, and also because just by being on the rear side of the boss you're getting most positionals automatically anyways, I mean unless you were dpsing from the front standing next to the tank all boss fight long?
If so you have bigger problems than just not doing positionals and he was probably just not happy with a dps standing next to him which is understandable, that's just not a good idea in general even if dungeon bosses don't cleave often.

[Avidria]

I just can't believe this happened just purely because of positionals, mostly because it seems almost impossible to keep track of people doing positionals in a dungeon because it's mostly AOE, and also because just by being on the rear side of the boss you're getting most positionals automatically anyways, I mean unless you were dpsing from the front standing next to the tank all boss fight long?
If so you have bigger problems than just not doing positionals and he was probably just not happy with a dps standing next to him which is understandable, that's just not a good idea in general even if dungeon bosses don't cleave often.

People like to think they pay better attention than they do to be fair. I once had some guy get on my case for not using battle voice on cooldown for trash pulls in a dungeon. He was a total jerk about it, but he was right, so i fixed it immediately, but he continued to whine and moan and made some snarky comment on the final boss about how id "finally done it once." Stuck in my head as one of the nastiest people I've encountered in this game - a rarity, thankfully.

Anyway some people are jerks and like to fixate on stupid things to be jerks about. Id fully believe it of someone picked "this guy isnt shuffling back and forth enough" to be The Thing for them.

[Kathryn]

I just can't believe this happened just purely because of positionals, mostly because it seems almost impossible to keep track of people doing positionals in a dungeon because it's mostly AOE, and also because just by being on the rear side of the boss you're getting most positionals automatically anyways, I mean unless you were dpsing from the front standing next to the tank all boss fight long?
If so you have bigger problems than just not doing positionals and he was probably just not happy with a dps standing next to him which is understandable, that's just not a good idea in general even if dungeon bosses don't cleave often.

You can choose to not believe it all you like, it happened the guy was abit of a douche about it aswell, as I had only just returned to the game I asked my husband what the heck he was on about as I had genuinely forgot that positionals were the crappy part of melee, honestly i havent done a dungeon since and if I will again ill go RDPS.

[Reinha]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

RPR or VPR, either one would be fine by me. As soon as reaper launched I already commented how I liked that the positionals are not tied to it's main combo. It's already doing the least damage out of melees so it's not being rewarded for having positionals as it is. Or make viper not have positionals, and the people saying "just play rphys" can "just not play viper".