Positionals

[Turtledeluxe]

I would agree if we were mostly fighting same-sized humans, but I'm the game as is, I'm several feet away and attacking something's leg or the air below something. Who even knows where the week point is on a pudding.



I'm not suggesting making it like rphys, that would imply getting rid of the melee requirement. I'm saying that they've already find ways to account for positionals being required for some jobs and not others - a direct response to you starting that they would have to do so.

I was implying/assuming as I've said, that classes which are positional absent would simply get potency nerfed. That's the inevitable tradeoff. The devs are not going to habe a subdivision of melee who work harder to maintain dps but not reap any kind of reward for that. One person might find it annoying, other people ITT have explained it makes encounters more fun for them.

What I mean when I say they become homogenous with Rphys is not removing melee distance, but rather pointing out that aside from distance and every jobs rotation, the gameplay will feel more samey than it did before. Getting rid of positionals only makes melee more like rPhys, not less.

And you may say "well it's only 20% more samey feeling" yet, imo, that's too much in a game where nearly everyone feels that jobs feel more and more like one another every expansion.

And this is also why I say looking at positionals and how they can make them more fun/more unique > getting rid of them altogether or even in part. Encounter design revisions could help to bridge the gap.

[VeolE]

"Rotations would still be as complex and rigid as they are currently

And that's where I stop reading.

[HikariKurosawa]

And that's where I stop reading.

Did a positional ever change the button input? Nope it did not.

[Lyth]

Did a positional ever change the button input?

It often does. If an upcoming boss mechanic such as a cleave temporarily denies access to a particular positional direction, then you can alter your combo set order or introduce in a GCD offset so that the positional now occurs at a point when you have access to it. You can burn TN as well, but a simple adjustment may allow you to save it for a more beneficial place later. This is Melee 101.

[Asari5]

Did a positional ever change the button input? Nope it did not.

movement is also button input

[JustMove]

...with the huge hit boxes and constant turning of current boss design it's more of a hassle then anything.

I hope you know that you don't need to stand outside and on the very flank or very back to hit your positional. The only thing that is bad with big hitboxes in context with positionals is if you stand inside it can be harder to see if you are at the back or flank or front

[JuicyHeals]

A big no to removing positional. Games already dumbed down enough

[Zairava]

All removing positionals would do is remove some of the last of the brain power required to optimize dps. Unless they decide to actually replace positionals with anything worth calling engaging/interactive I'd like them to stay.

[Aravell]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

As for a replacement system, maybe using any of the avatar's attacks will latch the avatar onto the enemy and using any attack that consumes soul reaver stacks from the same position as the avatar will cause it to attack too. Basically you can control where this "positional" is, it also allows you to just camp one side and just never move if you want.

[HikariKurosawa]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

As for a replacement system, maybe using any of the avatar's attacks will latch the avatar onto the enemy and using any attack that consumes soul reaver stacks from the same position as the avatar will cause it to attack too. Basically you can control where this "positional" is, it also allows you to just camp one side and just never move if you want.

At the end of the day, people should play jobs because they enjoy the rpg fantasy of it, not because it doesn't have an annoying gameplay mechanic. Alienating people who want to play samurai or ninja is far worse than alienating people who want to move left or right for half a second once or twice in their entire rotation.

I will just not do positionals regardless and the overall level of play will be lower in the community because it's simply not fun. I'm not going to play a job I don't want to play just because it doesn't have positionals. I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.