Wife unable to do alliance raid roulette once she hit 60.

[LilimoLimomo]

I can't think of any good reason to design it that way, as I can't think of any benefits a player gets from artificially limiting which raids they can queue for that would be worth the cost of literally halting your MSQ progression.

Nothing is halting anyone's MSQ progression.

Ah, you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that this functionality in any way halts a player's MSQ progression. I'm saying that for this to be an exploit, there would need to be some benefit to the player that was worth the cost of them voluntarily halting their MSQ progression. And considering how much of the game's content is gated by MSQ progression, I can't imagine a situation where any payout from a roulette would be worth purposely halting your own MSQ progression. Hopefully this clears up that miscommunication.

They aren't expecting you to have Heavensward gear, they are expecting that if you are level 60 and still in ARR you don't need to be running this roulette any more

"Need" seems like an excessive word to bring into this conversation. This is an MMO, and it's fun to play with your friends. It's fun to play the job you like. So if your friend is like, "Hey, I'm going to do my roulette, would you like to play it with me?", sure, we could say that you don't need to do that...but it would be fun.

It's not a bug, they deliberately changed the game to do this check. It will now expect you to be geared appropriately whether you have unlocked the higher raids or not.

I feel like folks are getting tripped up, so I'll elaborate on this. I know that SE made intentional changes to improve the roulettes and reduce the potential to exploit the system. What I'm saying is that this specific use case that OP has presented demonstrates a flaw in an otherwise effective system, in that it prevents certain reasonable user behavior that does not constitute an exploit. Which is to say, this system could be improved, as it is having negative side-effects that could be alleviated without impacting the systems' ability to perform its desired function.

Right now the system is probably doing something like this:

if playerLevel >= 60:

if playerItemLevel >= 175:

queueForRoulette()

else:

giveItemLevelErrorMessage()

else if playerLevel >= 50:

But it would only improve the functionality if that were updated to be something like this:

if playerLevel >= 60 && MSQ(3.0).isComplete():

if playerItemLevel >= 175:

queueForRoulette()

else:

giveItemLevelErrorMessage()

else if playerLevel >= 50 && MSQ(2.0).isComplete():

This would prevent the issue OP is experiencing without adding any further potential for exploits; everyone wins.

[CidHeiral]

It was because people blamed getting Crystal Tower a lot on people who would de-gear before queueing but that wasn't remotely the issue.

That was exactly the issue. I saw people putting their gear back on every time CT popped and after the change went into effect I saw the CT raids MUCH less frequently. They're only popping up more often now because of the wave of Xbox players going through MSQ.

People gamed the system for their own self interest and the devs dropped the hammer. It's the definition of F around and find out.

[Eastwall]

Just Get some trash nq gears to padd the ilvl

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

"Need" seems like an excessive word to bring into this conversation. This is an MMO, and it's fun to play with your friends. It's fun to play the job you like. So if your friend is like, "Hey, I'm going to do my roulette, would you like to play it with me?", sure, we could say that you don't need to do that...but it would be fun.

the problem with this is that you're not the only people queuing in the party, so your lack of gear affects the total strangers you're hanging out with and makes things more difficult for them. it'd be one thing if roulette would just drop you and your friends in a dungeon (which - I mean - you can do if there's four of you of course), but in the case of alliance raids there's 22 other people who get to deal with you constantly dying/doing scratch damage/barely healing.

[Boa-Noah]

I mean can't this situation be solved by just gearing up or something? I've never been blocked from a roulette before but if she's being blocked because she doesn't have a proper ilvl or something then just gear up? Or focus on doing the MSQ for a while instead and get the better equipment that way? I can't imagine there's many people who hit 60 but can't access Heavensward gear.

[TaleraRistain]

That was exactly the issue. I saw people putting their gear back on every time CT popped and after the change went into effect I saw the CT raids MUCH less frequently. They're only popping up more often now because of the wave of Xbox players going through MSQ.

People gamed the system for their own self interest and the devs dropped the hammer. It's the definition of F around and find out.

And I still saw them just a frequently on Aether. And people are still gaming the system. Apparently the new way is to bring a low level buddy or something and I saw people here on the forums saying SE needed to do something about that. Also people think others should be forced to unlock all the raids even though no other roulette works like that. It's one scapegoat after another. The only true way they're going to get bodies into the other raids is to make them attractive to run.

I mean can't this situation be solved by just gearing up or something? I've never been blocked from a roulette before but if she's being blocked because she doesn't have a proper ilvl or something then just gear up? Or focus on doing the MSQ for a while instead and get the better equipment that way? I can't imagine there's many people who hit 60 but can't access Heavensward gear.

This is pretty standard on Road to 80 servers.

[Supersnow845]

The reason no other raid forces you to unlock everything is because no other raid suffers from the sort of time discrepancy the alliance raid has because of how ilvl bloated CT is

Either fix CT or force people to at least unlock void ark/rabanaste/copied/aglaia because otherwise this is going to continue to be a problem, even though it’s nowhere near as bad people also do this work just unlocking A1 and A2 and never unlocking anything else

This should be actively discouraged because it’s people intentionally gaming the roulettes

[LilimoLimomo]

the problem with this is that you're not the only people queuing in the party, so your lack of gear affects the total strangers you're hanging out with and makes things more difficult for them. it'd be one thing if roulette would just drop you and your friends in a dungeon (which - I mean - you can do if there's four of you of course), but in the case of alliance raids there's 22 other people who get to deal with you constantly dying/doing scratch damage/barely healing.

With respect, it seems like you're misunderstanding some aspect of this situation, because nobody is under-geared for the instances they would be sent to. A level 50 player wants to do the raid roulette with their level 60 friend, which means that they would both be put in a level 50 instance that they are both geared for. The roulette logic is already built to not put players into content that they are under-leveled or under-geared for.

[CidHeiral]

And I still saw them just a frequently on Aether. And people are still gaming the system. Apparently the new way is to bring a low level buddy or something and I saw people here on the forums saying SE needed to do something about that. Also people think others should be forced to unlock all the raids even though no other roulette works like that. It's one scapegoat after another. The only true way they're going to get bodies into the other raids is to make them attractive to run.

I doubt that is anywhere near as prevalent as ilvl cheesing was. The rewards for all alliance raids were buffed and are more than fair, but we all know the rewards were never the real issue. The cheesers were gaming the system to get CT because they are either unable or unwilling to do the boss mechanics of the later raids. No amount of rewards are going to turn a lazy and/or incompetent player into the opposite.

[DiaDeem]

I think OP has left the building