Benchmark/Graphics Update - Show your WoL's before and after

[Merrigan]

To reiterate these quotes from what you should have read, there are people in the forum are reacting negatively to the benchmark updates rather than positive. So while yes you feel like nothing has changed which you are entitled to your opinion, you aren't playing our characters and know their identity/personality.

Overall, there is change and while yes the benchmark is not set in stone there are problems both JP and NA have brought up. If this is what they have to show then I as well as others whom express how we feel in this forum aren't happy with the changes or something seems off.

... Wait, you can get away with any criticism with that argument. The fact is, the difference between the two screenshots is minimal. Unlike other characters where there are more significant changes.

You can expect a graphic change to respect the colours; not to change your character's passive expression; or not to cause glitches. But you can't expect it to respect the psychological projection you have of your character - that projection exists only in your eyes, and nowhere else.

[GH0ST]

... Wait, you can get away with any criticism with that argument. The fact is, the difference between the two screenshots is minimal. Unlike other characters where there are more significant changes.

You can expect a graphic change to respect the colours; not to change your character's passive expression; or not to cause glitches. But you can't expect it to respect the psychological projection you have of your character - that projection exists only in your eyes, and nowhere else.

You are correct when it comes to where other peoples characters have a much more significant/drastic change compared to the ones I have with my very own I've noticed which seems very little compared to their own issues. And also agree with how there is also a psychological projection people have their characters (my own included) whether they played for long or short time frame which can also effect how people feel and react over it.


Especially towards Viera and a few other faces from the other races that changes the style/look. I feel bad for some male/female bun players especially as it is a quite difference and they are not happy with it as well. The mouth shape for elezen for certain expressions also are a issue as well among other things each race and said face for said races.

[CecMiller]

Well, this thread got derailed. I was hoping to see some before and afters, not essays on how the lips are slightly upturned and that changes the lips's personality.
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Nothing got derailed. The opening post literally asks you to "Post your WoL's before and after, and how you feel.". Besides, I think everyone is free to voice their concerns especially when the before and after can be jarring which is exactly the same type of post where you'd air your concerns. If you want to view just the before and after, just don't read the essays - its quite easy to do that.

Its not about accepting change for most people. Most people understand there is a graphics update, but there are stylistic changes e.g. mouth shape changes, eye shape changes, pupils becoming enlarged. None of these are specifically graphical changes but a style change. There are definitely some lighting issues in some before and afters, but some critical details (like the ones I detailed) are unaffected by lighting.

I'm confident that they'll keep adjusting the details in the leadup to Dawntrail given they have already said so and given the level of detailed feedback left on both the JPN forums and english forums. I would encourage people to say how they feel after they post their before and after whether they're unhappy or happy as any feedback can be useful for future adjustments (or more character creator options)

[noumen0nn]

I guess we can agree to disagree, not all feedback is good feedback. Good feedback describes the actual problem, not a subjective view of how a lip's identity got changed. That is not helpful. Saying that the lip's form got altered from the original and showing how IS helpful. People need to be exact in what they are having a problem with because feelings can be interpreted in a number of ways. And from a design standpoint, those are usually being thrown away as nothing more than rambles. I did say that people should keep voicing their problems with the update, the devs need that to make it better (the squeaky wheel gets the grease, you know), but if you scatter the feedback you have in a thread like "Show your" chances are they will not look. Especially since the title does not add a specific mention of having any feedback in.
And the thread did get derailed, from people showing their before and after and some added comments on how they feel about it, to putting up a billboard of all the problems that they found by plastering over pictures of different characters to use as examples of how horrible the update is and add essays of every minuscule thing that upsets them. As well as creating an echo chamber where if you question people or say their characters look good, you get words put in your mouth and made as the bad guy, cause how dare you think my character looks good in the update! It's a lot of subjective complaints trying to appear as valid feedback. Everyone can be a critic, but it takes a lot of work to be a good critic. Take a step back, gather the information and put it in a format that is bereft of subjective thought and make sure it is concise. Then make a new thread and explain your points, no one wants for others to hate their characters, people just don't see eye to eye with you. So you need to make the effort to show them why instead of appealing to their feelings. Because they don't feel the same attachment, especially if they like the update as is.

I hope they listen to your complaints and find a middle ground, but you have to tell them in a way that can be easily understood and visible. Again a show your thread will probably not catch the attention of the devs when they are looking for feedback. However, an Au'Ra graphical update feedback thread would.

The threads are not getting derailed because of people providing negative, if sometimes vague, feedback. They are getting derailed because those of us posting negative feedback, regardless of how thorough we are, are being forced to reiterate and argue our points again and again due to a seemingly endless wave of players telling us why our points aren't valid or our perception is incorrect or our comparisons are bad, etc etc etc. These threads would not be half as long if people were just allowed to express what they don't like and not be grilled on it, regardless of whether or not it meets your personal standards for feedback.

[Doozer]

Well, this thread got derailed.

You're not even the OP and most of the posts in it are in the same vein as the way it started. You just don't like what other people are saying. Maybe start a different thread.