Benchmark/Graphics Update - Show your WoL's before and after

[GodModule]

Aside from the pupil size, they look exaclty the same imo. I think you're being overcritical, because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

[GH0ST]

Aside from the pupil size, they look exaclty the same imo. I think you're being overcritical, because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Then, please, be so kind and don't depreciate people feelings. Because that's exactly what you're doing now. And I want to be honest, I don't care how good my character looks to you. This is my character. She was made by me and for me. If to me she now looks like a plastic doll with a mutilated lower part of her face, that’s because it is so. I'm not making this up, I'm not imagining it, I see it with my own eyes.

I don't really think anyone particularly cares whether you think their character looks great or not, it just does not look like their character anymore.
I don't care how you feel about my character, i did not make my character for you. You won't be playing as my character.

To reiterate these quotes from what you should have read, there are people in the forum are reacting negatively to the benchmark updates rather than positive. So while yes you feel like nothing has changed which you are entitled to your opinion, you aren't playing our characters and know their identity/personality.

Overall, there is change and while yes the benchmark is not set in stone there are problems both JP and NA have brought up. If this is what they have to show then I as well as others whom express how we feel in this forum aren't happy with the changes or something seems off.

[Merrigan]

To reiterate these quotes from what you should have read, there are people in the forum are reacting negatively to the benchmark updates rather than positive. So while yes you feel like nothing has changed which you are entitled to your opinion, you aren't playing our characters and know their identity/personality.

Overall, there is change and while yes the benchmark is not set in stone there are problems both JP and NA have brought up. If this is what they have to show then I as well as others whom express how we feel in this forum aren't happy with the changes or something seems off.

... Wait, you can get away with any criticism with that argument. The fact is, the difference between the two screenshots is minimal. Unlike other characters where there are more significant changes.

You can expect a graphic change to respect the colours; not to change your character's passive expression; or not to cause glitches. But you can't expect it to respect the psychological projection you have of your character - that projection exists only in your eyes, and nowhere else.

[GH0ST]

... Wait, you can get away with any criticism with that argument. The fact is, the difference between the two screenshots is minimal. Unlike other characters where there are more significant changes.

You can expect a graphic change to respect the colours; not to change your character's passive expression; or not to cause glitches. But you can't expect it to respect the psychological projection you have of your character - that projection exists only in your eyes, and nowhere else.

You are correct when it comes to where other peoples characters have a much more significant/drastic change compared to the ones I have with my very own I've noticed which seems very little compared to their own issues. And also agree with how there is also a psychological projection people have their characters (my own included) whether they played for long or short time frame which can also effect how people feel and react over it.


Especially towards Viera and a few other faces from the other races that changes the style/look. I feel bad for some male/female bun players especially as it is a quite difference and they are not happy with it as well. The mouth shape for elezen for certain expressions also are a issue as well among other things each race and said face for said races.

[CecMiller]

Well, this thread got derailed. I was hoping to see some before and afters, not essays on how the lips are slightly upturned and that changes the lips's personality.
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Nothing got derailed. The opening post literally asks you to "Post your WoL's before and after, and how you feel.". Besides, I think everyone is free to voice their concerns especially when the before and after can be jarring which is exactly the same type of post where you'd air your concerns. If you want to view just the before and after, just don't read the essays - its quite easy to do that.

Its not about accepting change for most people. Most people understand there is a graphics update, but there are stylistic changes e.g. mouth shape changes, eye shape changes, pupils becoming enlarged. None of these are specifically graphical changes but a style change. There are definitely some lighting issues in some before and afters, but some critical details (like the ones I detailed) are unaffected by lighting.

I'm confident that they'll keep adjusting the details in the leadup to Dawntrail given they have already said so and given the level of detailed feedback left on both the JPN forums and english forums. I would encourage people to say how they feel after they post their before and after whether they're unhappy or happy as any feedback can be useful for future adjustments (or more character creator options)

[Doozer]

Well, this thread got derailed.

You're not even the OP and most of the posts in it are in the same vein as the way it started. You just don't like what other people are saying. Maybe start a different thread.

[Yencat]

So while yes you feel like nothing has changed which you are entitled to your opinion, you aren't playing our characters and know their identity/personality.

I think this is exactly why people can't see eye to eye on this; The characters and their faces don't inherently have a distinct identity or a personality beyond what individual players ascribe to them. What you perceive in a face probably isn't what I see in that face, and it might not be what someone else reads in that same face.

There are of course some differences between the faces, but they are very broad strokes that most everyone can see, ie; slightly younger and softer looking vs. more rough or somewhat older.

No one is necessarily wrong here, but no one is objectively right either? I don't envy the devs.