Viera Changes

[VerdeLuck]

Face 3 and I noticed the lack of eyelashes on the top of the eye, the eyes look more dead now with no reflections, there is this forced sunked look to the eyesockets with dark circles, the chin is a compeltely different shape, the nose is a different shape, the nose has extra baked shadows that make it look dirty, the lips are much larger than before and facepaint and makeup is still low resolution.
On top of that the whole lighting just makes everything look way more washed out and lower saturation than the current game.

[Lh-ourson]

For my alt I chose face 3 for its cuteness. Now, the corners of her mouth are straight, giving her a sad, stern look.
I hope we'll have an option to make the lips fuller and glossy again.

It's nice that the way the light enters the eyes has become realistic, but I agree with others that the Viera look lifeless, especially those with light eyes.

I also agree with most of you that the update has changed some key facial features, which changes the mood and overall look of the character.
She could be her own (little) sister with this reshaping, but she's not the same bunny in my eyes.

[LuciaMirain]

I think the worst part is people actively looking at everyone's character and then saying "it looks better with the benchmark". I don't get it. Every single face looks like it has ben thrown into wax and made into a soulless doll. I don't understand it.

[RossC90]

I feel like I got really lucky with my Viera in that she actually feels like the same character but I can also recognize that she didn't have a super defining lip shape before. To me it feels like Rava Face 2 has the least amount of discrepancies compared to pre-graphic update.

That being said, much of what people have been saying is still valid. Also, the subtle sort of shading near the inner corner of the eye is way too subtle in the graphical update. It feels like maybe the devs wanted to pull away from texturing shadows and let the new shaders do all the work but it's something subtle that I noticed missing:

This shadow + highlight isn't as prominent in the 7.0 update.

I do feel like the actual lighting in the character creator is busted. At the very least, La Noscea seems to put this ugly super shiny wet filter over my character's skin. In the character creator it feels like the lighting is ramped up so character models resemble the models from the GTA Trilogy Remakes: Oddly bright and translucent skin + super white scleras so eyes have too much white in them. Those two combined lead to really weird uncanny looking models.

I think the Benchmark and oddly enough the preset character picker (not the character creator) use really good lighting. Now I'm afraid that most dynamic lighting out in the world will have these weird issues we're seeing in the character creator.


She looks phenomenal in the actual the actual benchmark even with a non-default/not touched up yet hairstyle.

[Spooky_Biscuits]

If it were just Viera? Then yes.. There could be a possibility of it being an acceptable allowance of unhappy players.

However, reading the forums it seems that while yes, there are players that have seen an improvement. There are lot who haven't. If the changes were just lighting and shaders etc it would be fine but they've changed models, be it the nose, eyes and even the fangs on the Catgirls/Catboys.

As of now I'm taking these changes as a solid second draft; something to be worked on. The dev team have and always will want to make a game the we love. There's enough healthy feedback from players to help them move things in the right direction. That being said, doing I expect DT to be delayed? No. But I'd love an acknowledgement or an update on what the plan is for this moving forward.

Yeah I dont think theyd have to overhaul it to a point where it would delay DT but Id be okay with if the graphical update came at a later patch but since Im not a dev I dont know how possible that is based on how they built DT and if its pretty much natively developed with this new design. either way, i dont know if Im excited for the xpac cause of it and that makes me sad since i was so very hype

[saya-alvere]

I like some of the changes, but the biggest thing that bothers me is the new nose.

SE changed the profile of my bungirl's nose and made it more upturned in the update, so now it is less rabbit like. The lips are flat and they changed the color.

The ears are higher res and that's a change I like. They could be softer and less defined however. It conflicts with the new, softer hair.

Overall, everything is smoothed out and much less angular. My face is wider and rounder. There's some subtle changes but it makes my character look entirely different.

DT vs Live


Side profile, Live vs DT

[Mahou-Shoujo]

Edit: my images arent showing so here are the urls if anyone wants to add them to their comment so they're on the forum

https://imgur.com/a/RG2vF7B

https://imgur.com/a/pzMpxR6

https://imgur.com/a/wowJUuY




I tried to illustrate what I think are the problems



Mainly the problems I see are the shadow on the eyes being so dark and covering half the eye when even the current shadow ig is already too dark imo, the lip shapes are straight up changed, they all are straight or turned down at the corners. The textures for the eyelashes and eyeshadow seems to just be smudged and darkened instead of upscaled and the bunny nose is less defined. I dont understand how they could mess up so bad, all they needed to do was upscale the texture resolution and apply the new shaders...

I'm also still salty male buns get dyable eyelashes, I always find the fem buns lashes look too dark when you have light hair... that's a seperate issue but the darker shadows and smudged eyeliner just make me hate it even more....

[Newosan]

My two cents into a very well documented issue

Benchmark CC:


Current in-game CC:


Benchmark Test (2K, Maximum):


Ingame Gpose (2K Maximum):


Now clearly the lightning is better in the Benchmark, incredibly better, but my boy just feels so...round and smooth? Like not even the textures (that's a different topic I am not at all smart enough to talk about) but he's lost his jaw and neck and there's no shadows or anything

Eyebrows are noticably thinner and lighter despite being the pure black hair

The splotches on his hair (shows up more in the Gridanian Inn image) which didn't exist in current build

Lips are much more cartoon-y feeling

Eyelashes are much thinner or less noticeable

The eyeliner "tattoo" looks a lot less clean compared to the current model

The nose/jaw changes are bad, you can see it just straight up isn't the same nose or jaw models anymore

The beauty mark issue is already well talked about but it's really shows the lack of attention to detail Viera seem to have gotten as the "newest" non-DT models


I'm hopeful in CBU3 making some adjustments/fixes by release, but I'm just a little disappointed in my boy being changed so much even if it's a WIP! I really love Male Viera and I don't want to have to remake or redesign him!

[Tethan]

I'm also still salty male buns get dyable eyelashes

Don't worry, those have been mostly removed in the benchmark.

[Mahou-Shoujo]

Yeah I saw they were weaker, still jelly.
Do the devs hate buns? They messed up other races but we seem to have the most changes D: