Nerf gil profit from submarine

[Commander_Justitia]

How is one single player owning 20 FC's? Or are u pullign crap outta your behind?

angry noises I'm open about how many plots I own. Currently 17 and counting. angry noises

Stop complaining about other people printing gil cause you "can't" and just start printing gil yourselves. Then you can't cry so damn much. Truly pathetic behavior to believe you're entitled to tell others how to play the game

I don't care about people making gil, generally. It is happening since the game started and won't end lol. Opinion on the way of "fun" are subjective, but most seem to agree that it shouldn't be locked behind housing, if it just gets used for that single purpose, there are other ways to implement it, but then everyone would do it I think.
I am calling out a stupid gameplay choice by the devs that didn't think of limitations, I don't even care about how you specifically exploit it, thus I am not "telling you how to play".

Question is what the devs had in mind when making it. I think they were fine if it was just a few people doing it, can be ignored. But if more and more do it, then its detrimental.

I think housing situation gets worse again with the new addon, so using the most dead time of a MMORPG as excuse for the availability of housing, months before a new addon hits, is not really a great argument. But even if they nerf it, you will still be making profits by reselling.

But they have to start somewhere huh

[Darkstride]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but it might be beneficial if they just made workshops either entirely separate from housing or instanced in some way. The reliance on a physical FC house for someone who doesn't care about owning a house is the problem, imo.

[TwistedTea]

sector rng is a nonissue and you know this, modifier parts are not needed and regular parts are dirt cheap
I already addressed why there's so many smalls on dead servers, the average player is not a scumbag and has no interest in doing sub farms and doesn't want to bother making an fc just for a solo house, the established sub farms already hit critical mass and don't need to expand further into more houses, they are instead focusing upgrading to larges and mediums to resell them with their army of alts.

Submarine leveling/farming is not easy as you constantly keep trying to downplay it as.

Also, I see Jenova and Coeurl are dead servers now. Not every submariner is interested in upgrading to mediums/larges and reselling. But that doesn't fit your narrative as well.

[GlowClam]

Can we please all stop this envy discussion together?
I'm jealous of all the mounts I can't acquire because I'm not able to fulfill the necessary tests in expectations of a static. Sorry this is due to my disability in the physical world outside of FF14.
I'm sorry I've worked hard for everything, at least let me have the pleasure of earning proper gil.

[Kaurhz]

honestly yeah this would make it so having a sub farm isn't really feasible

This depends, because honestly -- If they retain the ability to store in company chest, which honestly would likely be the case and should be the case -- Then there would be very little stopping anyone from just storing a bunch of alts in the same FC as their main character -- Assuming they play even fractionally then they are likely to generate enough company seals to cover quite a few FCs... Getting company credits is not even remotely as tedious as it used to be, especially with the price cost of Classical Rings. Especially if all you need to do is transfer characters around every so often.

That being said, if they honestly wanted to counteract this, then they would probably actually be better off removing both repair kits and fuel, IMO, and instead having it function directly through company credits at the station.. Much like how you go to the repairman, to spend Gil to have items repaired, except the trade is company credits for both fuel and repair. That way, there is an onus for each singular FC to constantly maintain company credits as opposed just finding a loophole for transferring fuel.

But honestly, discouraging it isn't really the solution to anything, if I am honest. The problems happened a long time ago, long before submarines were even conceptualized. All it'd do is shift the blame that some players have from 'sublords', to multiplot owners., and then potentially onward and upward to those that have multiple for RP/venue purposes.

[ZiraZ]

Submarine leveling/farming is not easy as you constantly keep trying to downplay it as.

Also, I see Jenova and Coeurl are dead servers now. Not every submariner is interested in upgrading to mediums/larges and reselling. But that doesn't fit your narrative as well.

It is extremely easy, player inputs are minimal, waiting is not a challenge or a difficulty. I know because I did it for my FC I even crafted every single modified part in the game just for laughs and minmaxed it to the extreme which increased played effort which I did not have to do and still it was a huge joke. and then I did it again for two friends FC, started at different times so the sub levels and timers were lopsided and it was STILL a joke.
I know first hand it's broken and low effort. It is in fact one of the lowest effort things in the entire game, even max level island experts take more effort.
As for dead servers, I meant Dynamis, the number of available Jenova fc smalls is because again: normal people are not into subfarms and the amount of subfarms compared to fc smalls plots is small, but still disproportional to the number of larges and mediums they bid on to resell.
I'm curious though, would you be opposed to making fuel binding to the fc?

[TwistedTea]

I'm curious though, would you be opposed to making fuel binding to the fc?

No, as others have mentioned make fuel and repair kits binding to the FC. Also, as I've said, I'm in the camp of nerfing Fight Club/submarines.

Simply because I want to see what else are players are going to blame housing troubles on after submarines are nerfed.

[Jojoya]

No, as others have mentioned make fuel and repair kits binding to the FC. Also, as I've said, I'm in the camp of nerfing Fight Club/submarines.

Simply because I want to see what else are players are going to blame housing troubles on after submarines are nerfed.

I don't think items can be made to bind to FC. The game isn't built to remove something from a player's inventory just because they left a FC.

But they could be removed as items altogether. Instead, have us pay for repairs and fuel directly via the Voyage Control Panel with Company Credits.

Fuel per voyage is based on sector level and not distance with the highest amount being 6 tanks, which really doesn't make sense. I'd suggest having fuel calculated based on distance traveled at a cost of 20 company credits per unit with the fuel cost being paid at the time the voyage is deployed (no refunds if you recall it early just as tanks don't get refunded).

The repair option then becomes where we pay for the part repairs. 100 credits per repair material currently required? That puts the repair cost max at 2400 for a full modified builds, with lower costs for partial or no modified parts. They don't need to be repaired every trip so the cost isn't as bad as it sounds.

I'm fine with nerfing Salvage. Other routes can be just as profitable when averaged over time but you do have to pay attention to marketboard competition and adjust when needed.

Now if you really want to discourage the sub farms, stop rewarding company credits for Supply/Provisioning Missions, Expert Deliveries. Nerf the company credits generated by HQ crafting and gathering boon procs (I've never understood why company credit generation is weighted so heavily in favor of crafting/gathering related activity).

I also agree it will be interesting to see what players want changed next when this doesn't have the impact they think it will on the supply of mediums and larges. If they're supposedly buying them with intent to resell, changing Fight Club isn't going to impact that. They're still going to buy to resell.

[Burmecia]

but most seem to agree that it shouldn't be locked behind housing

but rng and dumb luck, right. money to those who have the insane grit to skinnerbox their way to the gilcap?

waiting is not a challenge or a difficulty

time is money, as they say : )
playmoney in videogame, too

Can we please all stop this envy discussion together?
I'm jealous of all the mounts I can't acquire because I'm not able to fulfill the necessary tests in expectations of a static. Sorry this is due to my disability in the physical world outside of FF14.
I'm sorry I've worked hard for everything, at least let me have the pleasure of earning proper gil.

no cheek, i think your attitude is very good, thank you for this post, a sparkle of hope among, as you said, envy

[Neoyoshi]

You posted images taken from a 2 year old video that was illustrating what it looks like when a FC min-maxes their salvage sub runs. Also, this is something that takes TIME, A LOT of time. This person saved up alot of their salvage items and then made the video conveying the amount of gil one can make when having full subs, min-maxed, used the correct routes, and just spent time, like months.

Here is the selling of items video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUHhbNZboo

And here is the video sub guide from the same person: https://youtu.be/_MynUhvqUU4?si=fpY4R1G10PDOkyK7

Next time please provide full context about this type of content and stop trying to gas-light the community into believing this is part of some larger systemic problem.