Healer Suggestions Megathread

[Aravell]

To recap, what I wanted for SCH is not to overhaul its kit. I would just like to relegate some of its healing/dps capabilities on the pet while making the crucial buffs/abilities more control on where and when I will cast it.

Having read the whole suggestion, I personally disagree with it from a lore and gameplay standpoint.

In terms of lore, Lily is meant to be our partner, an underwhelming partner she is if all she does is blink in to cast one thing and then leave for 60-120s.

In terms of gameplay, I remember how stupid people were about "sElEnE iS tHe DpS pet, if you use Eos, you're BAAAAAAAAD", even though all she had was a 3% boost to the party's cast/recast. Many people parroted this while not knowing that Eos was the real dps gain because she freed up GCDs from both healers by how frequent Rouse+Whispering Dawn was, which also freed up some Indom usage for more EDs.

Having a pet mode purely dedicated to dps would lead to people being extremely stupid again and costing both healers casts that could be used for damaging the boss.

Also, I disagree with the premise that the fairy being temporarily removed is a bad thing. Dissipation is the last remaining vestige of good design from back in HW, a skill that ties your 2 most important resources (fairy and aetherflow) together, making you sacrifice one to boost the other. I want to see more skills like that that makes you think, instead of skills where you just fire and forget, like how your fairy redesign would work.

Now, I'm not knocking you for the redesign, I respect the effort you put into it, I'm just not a fan.

[rawker]

Having read the whole suggestion, I personally disagree with it from a lore and gameplay standpoint.

In terms of lore, Lily is meant to be our partner, an underwhelming partner she is if all she does is blink in to cast one thing and then leave for 60-120s.

In terms of gameplay, I remember how stupid people were about "sElEnE iS tHe DpS pet, if you use Eos, you're BAAAAAAAAD", even though all she had was a 3% boost to the party's cast/recast. Many people parroted this while not knowing that Eos was the real dps gain because she freed up GCDs from both healers by how frequent Rouse+Whispering Dawn was, which also freed up some Indom usage for more EDs.

Having a pet mode purely dedicated to dps would lead to people being extremely stupid again and costing both healers casts that could be used for damaging the boss.

Also, I disagree with the premise that the fairy being temporarily removed is a bad thing. Dissipation is the last remaining vestige of good design from back in HW, a skill that ties your 2 most important resources (fairy and aetherflow) together, making you sacrifice one to boost the other. I want to see more skills like that that makes you think, instead of skills where you just fire and forget, like how your fairy redesign would work.

Now, I'm not knocking you for the redesign, I respect the effort you put into it, I'm just not a fan.

No worries. I kind of understand that we all have diff takes on this matter. What's important is that we entertain each other's opinion and discuss it without the need to insult each other.

So no harm done.

Also, I am on team Eos way back in ARR. Selene was just not appealing to me.

[Post]

It may sound like it but think of it this way: you are still casting the ability yourself. It's just that where the tether originates from is different. The only problem with it is that the fairy should follow to its tethered target and not remain stationary.

This is the problem. I'm not casting aetherpact, I'm ordering my Faerie to cast Fey Union: "Orders faerie to execute Fey Union with target party member. Effect ends upon reuse."

Ergo, it should not matter how close I am with the target. Every other Faerie action respects this, as SCH has always been and still slightly remains as a proxy healer.

I agree that the Faerie should follow her target with it unless I've explicitly told her not to. They've given players less and less control as the game's gone on and Aetherpact is a perfect example of this, where she used to just fly over and cast Embrace if you told her (the older, stronger version of embrace that they nerfed just so they could introduce Aetherpact).

[benji42]

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Honestly, i think dissipation is pretty good from a gameplay perspective. if anything I just don't believe it really feels impactful 99% of the time. but i think a lot of others disagree. I wish it would give a bigger reward but also give bigger downside. it locks you out of a few abilities, but they should be on CD if you're using dissipation properly, and the heals directly from the fairy are very puny at max level. Although, from a lore perspective, I think it's kinda weird eating your fairy lol.

[Esmoire]

Sage has a good foundation but can do more to make it distinct with its unique mechanics with regards to Kardia, Eukrasia, and the gauge. Rather than Soteria being more healing on the Kardia target, make it apply Kardia to the party for a bit. Give us a CD for something like a Super Eukrasia, with more powerful Eukrasia actions. Rizomata is really boring and could basically be a trait as it is; instead make it give us Addersting. Aside from that, take a look at some of the abilities that were designed to be mirrors of scholar abilities, and make them more unique. Both jobs would benefit from it.

[ForsakenRoe]

Something simple I came up with a while back to differentiate the most obvious (and simultaneously niche) 'copy of SCH move', Pepsis (the mirror to Emergency Tactics) could have a shorter CD of like 5s, an MP cost to prevent mindless spamming of it, and an additional effect added that allows it to trigger its effect for about 5s after the shields have broken on people, turning it into a sort of 'healing counterattack'. Where DRK has 'TBN breaks, counter with free Edge of Shadow', SGE could have 'E.Prog breaks, counter with instant healing', making SGE a sort of 'reactive shielder' if such a thing is possible

SGE/SCH really need like, anything at all, to help differentiate the two in their playstyle

[ty_taurus]

Something simple I came up with a while back to differentiate the most obvious (and simultaneously niche) 'copy of SCH move', Pepsis (the mirror to Emergency Tactics) could have a shorter CD of like 5s, an MP cost to prevent mindless spamming of it, and an additional effect added that allows it to trigger its effect for about 5s after the shields have broken on people, turning it into a sort of 'healing counterattack'. Where DRK has 'TBN breaks, counter with free Edge of Shadow', SGE could have 'E.Prog breaks, counter with instant healing', making SGE a sort of 'reactive shielder' if such a thing is possible

SGE/SCH really need like, anything at all, to help differentiate the two in their playstyle

Making Sage's healing acutally about barrier application and Kardia healing effects rather than Aethergall would be a start.

Something I've talked about that I really like is take away the large, singular barriers from Sage and make those Scholar's thing. Sage meanwhile applies several layers of much weaker barriers: Haima/Panhaima effects as your standard barrier application instead of Adloquium 2.0. That would also allow their barriers to stack together since Sage's layered barriers only provide a small additional layer of defense for any one singular attack.

In a way, it could be cool if Sage's barrier application were a little like the Preservation Trailblazer in Star Rail. Preservation characters are basically all about shields and mitigation, and your main character has a couple different playstyles at the moment. When using their preservation style, all of their actions provide a small barrier effect on the whole party, meaning you're constantly softening the blow from attacks the party takes but never fully mitigating it.

[Aravell]

For me personally, I'd rather see both jobs lean further into their lore.

SGE is basically a doctor and prevention is the best medicine, so I'd want to see them focus heavily on all types of barriers, big, small or staggered.

SCH is meant to be a war tactician, so I'd want to see them lean heavily into all types of utility. Stuff such as lifesteal, movement speed, mass rescue, party esuna, barriers that block a set amount of damage for every hit taken until it expires, etc.

[ty_taurus]

AOE Esuna is something that I have always seen as a White Mage thing. No idea why Scholar ever had it.

[Post]

Kinda like how Swiftsong was a BRD (ARC) thing, yet SCH got a functional one in combat before p.Ranged. I think they got to have it in PvP before, at least.