Red Mage: I am not a Back line class

[Mireille]

As the title says Red Mage is not a back line class I hope it's not when they implement it.

Makes me feel like posting a 'Summoner: I am not a healing job' thread....

[Elexia]

Makes me feel like posting a 'Summoner: I am not a healing job' thread....

As true as that is, you only have SE to blame for that lol. They attached healing magic to most summoners in the series.

[Keyln]

As true as that is, you only have SE to blame for that lol. They attached healing magic to most summoners in the series.

Actually, that's not true. In most games, summoning was it's own thing, not really associated with any other type of magic. While it was true that the same character had white magic and summoning magic in some of the games (IX and X specifically), most of the time, it was its own thing which can be used in conjunction with other types of magic (III, V, XI) or other magic (IV) or it's own special system (VI, VII, VIII, XII, XIII).

It is not true that summoning magic has always been with healing magic.

[Firon]

Actually, that's not true. In most games, summoning was it's own thing, not really associated with any other type of magic. While it was true that the same character had white magic and summoning magic in some of the games (IX and X specifically), most of the time, it was its own thing which can be used in conjunction with other types of magic (III, V, XI) or other magic (IV) or it's own special system (VI, VII, VIII, XII, XIII).

It is not true that summoning magic has always been with healing magic.

No actually most games where summoner is tied to a char and not a equipped item like FF 6-8 it has mostly had white magic. Rydia had both white and black Eiko and dagger both had white magic and so did yuna That right there is like the whole FF series iconic summoners...

[Keyln]

No actually most games where summoner is tied to a char and not a equipped item like FF 6-8 it has mostly had white magic. Rydia had both white and black Eiko and dagger both had white magic and so did yuna That right there is like the whole FF series iconic summoners...

Rydia (IV) ditched the white magic early on in the game to learn black magic fully. In this case, summoning magic was tied to black magic, not white magic.

It is true that both Eiko and Garnet (IX) both had white magic and summoning magic. However, this is the only game in the series that had white magic and summoning magic tied together.

Yuna (X) usually had white magic, but she was a summoner first. Using the sphere grid though, players can make Yuna pick up black magic instead, or warrior skills, or thief skills. Or any other character can be white magic. So, while by default, Yuna could do white magic, it wasn't necessarily true.

With that said, in the rest of the series, summoning magic isn't tied to white or black magic, but it's own special system, either as magic, or something entirely different.

[Mireille]

No actually most games where summoner is tied to a char and not a equipped item like FF 6-8 it has mostly had white magic. Rydia had both white and black Eiko and dagger both had white magic and so did yuna That right there is like the whole FF series iconic summoners...

Yuna started with whm spells, but early on you could make her into a blm and retire Lulu completely. Of the FF games I have played, which is X +, only smn has been tied to whm in only one of them: X. In X the system allowed you to multi-class your characters starting around the time you left Luca. Pre-X I can't speak to.

[Ramsey]

Yuna started with whm spells, but early on you could make her into a blm and retire Lulu completely. Of the FF games I have played, which is X +, only smn has been tied to whm in only one of them: X. In X the system allowed you to multi-class your characters starting around the time you left Luca. Pre-X I can't speak to.

FFX is a job-less FF, though not entirely irrelevant, the importance of that relationship is slightly diminished because, as you say, you can make anyone learn anything.

That said... The relationship between mage classes and summoner has been back and forth. In Final Fantasy Tactics, It's Black Mage > Time Mage > Summoner to unlock Summoner. FFTA is Elementalist > Summoner. FF9 Eiko and Garnet are White Mages but in FF4 Rydia has Black and White magic.

There's really no strict relationship between WHM and SMN or BLM and SMN. They could easily include a new class for Summoner to be linked out of. Arcanist? Oracle? Who knows.