XIV EW Job-Gameplay is Terrible... Why?

[ty_taurus]

If only English was my 1st Language... Ahh!! ( Table-Flips Dictionary ) It's like double thinking when some words are just really foreign to me and I Google everything just to make sure. Gets worse with Game and Forum Acronyms that I never heard, seen or read XD

Scrupulous... Fluorescence... Convoluted...
Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg...

At the end of the day, you're on an online forum, as long as you're communicating your point it really doesn't matter because that's all language really is. There's not a gold medal for speaking or writing perfect, grammatically correct English in everyday environments. The only place where it does matter would be in a professional English-related environment, such as writing a thesis, where you should just use "regardless" because there are people who will read "irregardless" and see that as sloppy, or a lack of proper understanding of the language. And I only say this simply because you asked. And I'm sorry if it comes across as digging too much into it. My goal's just to provide a clear answer, but talking about how we talk and correcting people can very easily become a sensitive topic. Your English writing quality overall is exceptional from what I've seen.

[xbahax92]

It's already due time for the jobs liveletter and the release of the job page. It's really dumb to be quiet about it for so long, just not to anger the playerbase. While this might be true and everything is STC, it's impossible to avoid player complains. Someone will always be angered.

[SargeTheSeagull]

It's already due time for the jobs liveletter and the release of the job page.

How do you figure? We still don't even know the release date, nor have we gotten the benchmark or any mention of it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't remember what order stuff like that normally comes out.

[Valence]

- Square erases Job Flare/Flavor/Depth, because...

I think Xenosys had the right idea in one of his videos with the Cup of Balance(tm): in short, you cannot overfill the cup, and you have to balance between DPS checks, Encounter mechanical intricacies, and Job/battlesystem intricacies. If you overfill it then the balance gets out of hand and it starts being too difficult for a wide margin, or at least, the system gets caught flat footed so to speak, or too obnoxious.

Back in HW/SB we had a similarly sized Encounter Design and Job Design. Since ShB and they doubled down in EW on this, they immensely reduced the side of Job intricacies until it became very thin, in favor of increasing dramatically Fight Design and difficulty (in savage+). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that everything hasn't become insanely rigid due to the formulaic aspect of their approach, and I do believe we could get more varied encounters and whatnot without even touching this balance, but fact of the matter is they have chosen a paradigm where they put 99% of the focus exclusively on fight design, difficulty and more intricate mechanics at the expense of job intricacy which only gets to deal with minimum welfare. For instance, if we had to clear the recent savage tiers, or worse, the last 2 ultimates with the HW/SB battlesystem and job kits, well, you can imagine the nightmare.

I do however wish for them to go back to a more balanced approach between Encounter Design and Job Design though, for the very reason you explain. I do agree 100%. I play for the battle system and the jobs first and foremost.

Question: " Does your favorite Job(s) give you the best Job-Gameplay experience in the current EW Expansion or even the current Patch 6.55 compared to another Patch or Expansion? "

I do not know if the question was only rhetorical or not, but no, my favorite job has stopped giving me satisfaction since ShB butchered it irremediably to the ground, and EW didn't improve anything on what people said would have been a " basic, fresh start". It's still as dull and its identity is at the opposite of what it used to be.

[Grizzlpaw]

Imagine a world where WHM plays like SMN.

Instead of rotating between summons you rotate between elements. Earth, Air, Water, and Holy. Even if we're still functionally just pressing 1111 in different flavors like SMN does, it would still do a lot to break up the monotony. SMN is known for being a great job to learn mechanics with, so we don't need to worry about players being overwhelmed.

Healers have such bloated healing kits that barely get used, and such barren DPS kits that consume 80% of their gameplay. This can't be the best SE can do. Even as a profit-maximizing strategy I refuse to believe this is the most optimal path SE can take.

[Supersnow845]

Imagine a world where WHM plays like SMN.

Instead of rotating between summons you rotate between elements. Earth, Air, Water, and Holy. Even if we're still functionally just pressing 1111 in different flavors like SMN does, it would still do a lot to break up the monotony. SMN is known for being a great job to learn mechanics with, so we don't need to worry about players being overwhelmed.

Healers have such bloated healing kits that barely get used, and such barren DPS kits that consume 80% of their gameplay. This can't be the best SE can do. Even as a profit-maximizing strategy I refuse to believe this is the most optimal path SE can take.

Counterpoint SMN is hot garbage and should only be used as a template for “how not to do any class, even a healer”

[Cyanamists]

Bro came in guns blazing and decided not to address the fact that he got btfo'd when minimal detective work was done as he got called out.

[CelestiCer]

I do not know if the question was only rhetorical or not...(snip)

Yay I meant it, due to the Job play-rate argument statistics being overused and then they go " Oh see! look how star-sparkling-flawless the Job designs are cause its being played so much. Look! they cast Glare so much they love it! ". Do people really think Job-Design peaked in EW or at this specific patch 6.57? Would like to hear Yes/No because... insert answer

I think Xenosys had the right idea in one of his videos with the Cup of Balance(tm)... (snip)

Seen Xenosys's take and agreed. There's only a certain amount of Inputs/Actions/Movements/Things players on Average even at high-end players can remember and execute a mix of all of it at the same time with the limitations of our Job-Kits. Gotta strike a balance and credit to the Dev's? the Fights are released overall in a good working state ( lets not talk about P8S and NIN issues with TOP release...) all things considered.

Back in HW/SB we had a similarly sized Encounter Design and Job Design. Since ShB and they doubled down in EW on this, they immensely reduced the side of Job intricacies until it became very thin, in favor of increasing dramatically Fight Design and difficulty (in savage+)...(snip)

This is XIV history that I know very little of as I joined late in end of SHB, its good to share insight. Hmm... Could take an angle? where you compare EW Savage encounters, compare them to previous expansions ( Coils/Alexander/Omega/Eden ) and how much more difficult it has become with mechanics and features such as hitbox increased, melee uptime, pulling as a Tank - then see if that difficulty we reached in EW justified all the simplifications we received... I would say with some fights I done at minilvl? Like Halicarnassus, Shiva Eden, Oracle, Kefka, ExDeath, a lot of streamlining wasn't required? or as well thought through as possible. I leave out Ultimate for the actual experts on it, as I found no joy in doing them, thus I have no expertise on Ultimate.

I do however wish for them to go back to a more balanced approach between Encounter Design and Job Design though, for the very reason you explain. I do agree 100%. I play for the battle system and the jobs first and foremost.

This is my main gripe with it all indeed. It doesn't feel balanced, it feels very heavily loaded on mechanics and as we know? most of XIV's mechanics are dull unless you go High-end content, making most the content extra dull... I know Square can do better then this, they even showed they have. It's really a matter of if they will. There is no negative to be had for Job-Gameplay to be improved for the Players-Experience, mhm

[ty_taurus]

I wish there was a place for more chaotic fights like King Mog Ex. It doesn’t have to be every extreme or savage or beyond, but if there was a good mix of more puzzle like fights and more chaotic ones, there’d at least be more options for players with different tastes.

[Sani2341]

Yay I meant it, due to the Job play-rate argument statistics being overused and then they go " Oh see! look how star-sparkling-flawless the Job designs are cause its being played so much. Look! they cast Glare so much they love it! ". Do people really think Job-Design peaked in EW or at this specific patch 6.57? Would like to hear Yes/No because... insert answer

Not sure when the actual peak was, But what I can say for absolutely certain is that all the jobs I enjoyed during SB have been getting worse ever since ShB.