My feedback on the method of obtaining relics in Endwalker

[Mithron]

The original relic journeys aren't the official way. They're not even identical. None of the relics are exactly alike to get in fact. I would love for devs to offer zones, and journeys as a method per every relic, but they're probably going to say it's too resource intensive.

As for as zones, I see no evidence they failed..I did them last year and the zones were thriving. Maybe they are aren't right now..it's also very low subscriber count right now and we are coming off a holiday season.

They're identical in the sense that they don't involve exploratory zones.

They failed because I didn't enjoy them, along with many more who don't bother posting or voicing. The ones who do enjoy them are a loud minority. I'm not against more exploratory zones as a whole for you wrong players, but keep the relic specifically out of it.

Also, no one, and I mean no one, could possibly think doing DR 15 times for one step when each of those runs takes 40-60 mins because no one knows how or bothers to use their actions to increase damage except you is good. That's not even counting the queue times and not counting wacky party compositions that only further compound worse when you have no tanks or healers and again, no one using actions.

[Mecia]

and not counting wacky party compositions that only further compound worse when you have no tanks or healers and again, no one using actions.

You did not and do not need tanks and healers though, DPS can fill both roles and thats what makes Bozja so fun. All it took was one player to step up, ive tanked it as BLM plenty of times for example.

You can dislike exploratories all you want but youre either just lying or forgetting what you can do in them.

[Mithron]

Considering Bozja is still the most interacted with content that’s not on a roulette i think saying they were a failure is about as wrong as possible

Whether you think this is because of genuine enjoyment or simply “because of the relics” it shows that a zone with relics gets engagement rivalling roulette content, how is that anything but a resounding victory for bozja’s content design

1. It's not populated enough and never will be.
2. Just because it has any population or interaction doesn't mean it was successful. Being forced to do something you hate doing to get something you normally get otherwise without having to do this content is not a good thing.

You did not and do not need tanks and healers though, DPS can fill both roles and thats what makes Bozja so fun. All it took was one player to step up, ive tanked it as BLM plenty of times for example.

You can dislike exploratories all you want but youre either just lying or forgetting what you can do in them.

You do if no one's using actions. A BLM cannot tank it if they aren't using actions and no one else is. Did you miss that point?

[Supersnow845]

1. It's not populated enough and never will be.
2. Just because it has any population or interaction doesn't mean it was successful. Being forced to do something you hate doing to get something you normally get otherwise without having to do this content is not a good thing.



You do if no one's using actions. A BLM cannot tank it if they aren't using actions and no one else is. Did you miss that point?

You have literally just described the roulettes

What kinda content do you actually want then, because Bozja beats out any content not on a roulette

Should we delete all content not on a roulette

[Mithron]

You have literally just described the roulettes

What kinda content do you actually want then, because Bozja beats out any content not on a roulette

Should we delete all content not on a roulette

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

[strawberrycake]

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

The answer is to make Eureka Bozja content and then add in an alternative after for people who dont like it, it's that simple.

[Heroman3003]

The answer is to make Eureka Bozja content and then add in an alternative after for people who dont like it, it's that simple.

But dae if your do that, nobody will play the new Eureka Bozja!!!!!11 /s

Discarding that bad faith argument, that would be a good solution, but even Bozja still required you too grindfest through to progress the relic because story ties. If relic was truly completely unrelated to the expedition zone, but you could just also get pieces for it by doing the zone, it'd be perfect.

[Supersnow845]

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

You are missing the point, Bozja has higher engagement than any content not in the roulette and exceeds some content in the roulette, how is square meant to see that any other way than making field content and attaching a relic to it is a way to generate content that gets that sort of engagement

You are currently talking out of both sides of your mouth “field content is dead so nothing important should be tied to it” but also “remove important things tied to field content”

[Mithron]

You are missing the point, Bozja has higher engagement than any content not in the roulette and exceeds some content in the roulette, how is square meant to see that any other way than making field content and attaching a relic to it is a way to generate content that gets that sort of engagement

You are currently talking out of both sides of your mouth “field content is dead so nothing important should be tied to it” but also “remove important things tied to field content”

Both statements are not mutually exclusive. The main point is to make it so no one has to do exploratory zones to get their relic. It's not fun content for everyone, especially for many players who like to get their relics the "classic" way. If it's an option, fine, even if it's the optimal option to do exploratory content I'd be fine with it so long as it's within reason. What's not fine is standing AFK next to an Aetheryte waiting for other people to pop FATES so I only tab back in, shout lfg, clear the FATE, then go back to AFKing next to the Aetheryte until I'm done with my relic. It's even worse doing the content the way it's meant to be done. That isn't fun, that isn't good, and I shouldn't be forced to do that to get my relic when I already have expectations set on ARR and HW relic methods being far superior.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]Also, no one, and I mean no one, could possibly think doing DR 15 times for one step when each of those runs takes 40-60 mins because no one knows how or bothers to use their actions to increase damage except you is good. That's not even counting the queue times and not counting wacky party compositions that only further compound worse when you have no tanks or healers and again, no one using actions.

I admit for being one of those minority. Myself & another ex-FCmate of mine were one of those minorities who farmed DRn 255 times before any sort of nerf or adjustment to the raid applied back in its inception patch.

Ofc, I got called being ‘mentally ill’ for that lmfao. #gcbtw