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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    I guess you're as bad at reading threads as you are spotting vuln stacks and incoming heals right?
    That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
    ( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
    ( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)
    What?

    The argument in question about 25 pages ago (click on the tiny blue icon to get to the posts directly):
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    [...]Are you sure it was a lack of healing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    It's not bad talk, it's clarification on a common sentiment which I believe is demonstrably incorrect, thus here we are[...]
    That's it? "DPS taking 1 vuln stack = lost cause"? That was never her point. Please, at least try to abide your own signature rules that you wrote yourself.

    Selective comprehension at its best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    What?

    The argument in question about 25 pages ago (click on the tiny blue icon to get to the posts directly):



    That's it? "DPS taking 1 vuln stack = lost cause"? That was never her point. Please, at least try to abide your own signature rules that you wrote yourself.

    Selective comprehension at its best.
    You forgot something:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    If you'd not eaten the 25% vuln you'd have lived just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    You forgot something:
    The 25% vuln stack is from a death, not a normal missed mechanic vuln stack.

    Different values.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    You forgot something[...]
    The important things that you consistently missing is the fact that you made a biased observation for whatever reason & have misplaced your blame on a random healer---that was something that Sebazy tried to point out to you (and later on Bole & ForsakenRoe, too): if it's anybody's fault, it's definitely not to be shouldered by that healer alone; you too played a part that leads to your own death as well. They were correcting you.

    Furthermore, while Sebazy is indeed too blunt with her words, it doesn't deny the fact that there has been indeed more than just "more dps" and nothing else as you've put it few pages ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    [...]Apparently this is peak gameplay design by the so called ffxiv forum/reddit "healer" community..
    Since they don't complain about this .. they just complain about lack of dps rota, more dps abilties.. ect
    (Read one and you have read them all)
    Please don't be like this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
    ( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)
    Is this "guy" always wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    That's bold insult, comming from a a healer who thinks dps with 1 vul stack is a lost case.
    ( Conext: Normal content, where dmg output is at the lowest)

    Link where I said you were a lost cause because of 1 vuln stack. I’ll be waiting.

    Personally, If I was one of those healers, I expect I would have saved you because I’d have tetra/Benisoned which would have been more than enough (remember, you died by something like 180hp). But if I was in your situation and died, I would also be able to accept that with the vuln stack was my own doing and as such, it’s not fair to hold other players to a higher standard than I myself was playing at.

    TLDR, your reading comprehension is utterly awful and the point is clearly being missed here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    Do you honestly think you need to ST heal someone whom has 1 vuln stack to keep them alive?
    At this particular point in time with these circumstances? The math says yes clearly

    HOWEVER

    If you had even a little more gear, had bothered to use food or the group (healers and yourself included) had have had slighter better CD and mitigation timing, you’d have likely been fine.

    My point wasn’t that this was entirely your fault. My point was rather, the healers weren’t to blame like you tried to suggest.

    YOU claimed that you received no heals. YOU claimed that you were at full HP

    I simply demonstrated that you did actually get healing, that you weren’t actually at full HP (because you had a vuln stack that meant you were the only one in the group that wasn’t topped) and lastly, you were the only person that died. If the healers were sleeping, more people should have died no?
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 01-26-2024 at 10:03 PM.
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