Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
Except we did try ... and failed. We were supposed NOT to try to do anything to alter the timeline and simply was on a fact finding mission. But when pressed by Venat after she discovered our "secret", the WoL pondered and (probably against better judgement) decided to reveal the future anyway. But that's exactly lead to the whole Elpis shenanigan. By the end of the Elpis arc, I think both our WoL and Venat had deduced any further attempt to alter the future is futile. Whether it's due to writing inconsistency, or simply due to the travel method, our version of time travel is not the same of the one employed by G'raha. G'raha managed to split the time line, while our followed the law of casual paradox:

- if we try to stop calamity, than it is that very effort that will cause the calamity.
- if we don't try to stop the calamity, than it will happen exactly because of our inaction.

For example, it's possible that Fedaniel would retain his sanity if he only hear the Meteion's report. He may even agree with Emer-Setch judgement and shut her down. But because of the "knowledge" about the future that our WoL disclose to him that pushed him over the edge and broke him.

In any case, "not trying" isn't something our WoL should be stand trial for ... like I said we did try ... and fail. And even if we didn't fail (or Venat tried again after we left), the only possibility is we gonna split the timeline again - making a different time line where the Ancient survive. But the Ancient in our time line gonna get screwed no matter what, that's an unchangeable fact regardless of you using the ShB or EW time travel version.
That's a great set of theories that I wish the game took the time to explore. Honestly if the story never had the WoL become solid and instead stay as a tiny time ghost through all of Elpis and it still played out the same way I would have been fine with that as well. Instead they become solid and say nothing until it's forced out of them which is probably the worst way to do it imo. Either way we have noway to know for sure if the WoL's actions directly led to the events that played out or not. The timeline we play through is a loop confirmed by Hydaelyn dialogue during the meeting in the Etherial Sea and further confirmed by Emet's lines in UT. We don't get to see if it's actually the casual paradox as you describe, but I would have really enjoyed if the game let us explore that and find out with absolute certainty.


I do hope though that you at least would consider this an answer to your initial question though. You didn't say what would or wouldn't be, would you mind letting me know?

But Ifrit's word is not gospel though, he only stated what the feel like the most correct assumption. In Primal logic, the only reason he can't temp a person is when that person is already tempered by another primal, which is what he think the Blessing is. The Elpis segment left no ambiguity what it is: her signature "traveler ward" spell, something she casts way before she became a primal.
I never said his word is gospel. Merely that it clearly reflects similar to what he is used to. You're free to disagree with that, however the events of EW make a lot more sense if Hydaelyn actually does temper.