Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Lady_Silvermoon]

If this is the face of the main villain, I don't want to be the good guys

Yeah, the writers are banking on that. Under the argument she's evil, there is all the murders, mutilations and manipulations and under the argument she's good, well, look how pretty she is. And she likes us enough to sentence billions of people to painful deaths to create us. What a lovely lady.

And that right there is what haunts me. Because to get onboard with what she did, you have to buy into good genocides.

[AmorfaVex]

What does any of this have to do with the OP?

[Boblawblah]

Because to get onboard with what she did, you have to buy into good genocides.

I am 100% on board with that. Why you might ask? Because it's not real and I love Venat. Sure, sure, try to make people feel bad because 'GENOCIDE!!!!' WOOOOO scary!!! Na, we don't care.

[Vyrerus]

Because it's not real and I love Venat.

But you won't even post the sauce

[Boblawblah]

But you won't even post the sauce

I'm sorry I don't have the original source, I just found that and saved it as a bookmark.

[Raven2014]

I am 100% on board with that. Why you might ask? Because it's not real and I love Venat. Sure, sure, try to make people feel bad because 'GENOCIDE!!!!' WOOOOO scary!!! Na, we don't care.

Pretty much this.

The most confusing part for me about this is ... the alternative to a Venat's genocide is a Zodiak's genocide which would be something far worse. I also often asked can they provide a scenario where a solution can be found where no one have to be scarified, no tyrant, no genocide happen? Despite asking that for years, that question always get ignored, much less getting a satisfactory answer. I sometime wonder if they're just missing the point of fiction, or simply being contrarian for its own shake, or whether they're not familiar with settings that are not always unicorn and rainbow.

Take the Warhammer 40k for example:

- Space Marine is Cool.
- Inquisitor are badarse.
- The God Emperor is awesome.

But any of them would make even Hitler look like a saint. After all, xenophobic, racist, slavery are actually among the least offensive attributes you can list for humanity in that universe, dictatorship is often considered to be virtues, not tyranny. For example, what can be worse than being a slave? How about being turn into a servitor (mindless mechanical zombie) so you can be a slave for eternity? And if someone enjoy this work, it's not because they're celebrated all these things, but because we enjoy the fiction, that's it.

Some of the argument here kinda me once a while I would come across someone who try to argue the Warhammer's humanity is trashed by the modern 20th-21th century moral standard and should just let itself be wiped out. Like ... they're technically not wrong, but I do wonder how can someone miss the point of fiction that hard.

[NanaWiloh]

Why dont we just say it. The ancients were on a plane ride to Hell, and Venant decided it was faster to just crash the plane..

[WeebPolice]

This sounds a lot like international relations theory, and yes I do see this as being present in FFXIV as well. Nation A wants something from Nation B, and Nation A attempts to achieve that through diplomatic solutions such as negotiation or trade which ultimately ends in failure. So what do they do next? They take it by force via conflict/war or perhaps the threat of force (coercion). Yeah, international relations and geopolitics is interesting stuff.

Precisely, citizen. Now you are starting to understand our position and the penultimate goal of the Weeaboo Police Department. The Lalafells are animals. They don't respect diplomacy or the spoken word, and we cannot treat with them. They only know power and force which is where the Weeaboo Police Department comes in. That is why we fight, citizen.





May your blades never dull.

[Xirean]

The most confusing part for me about this is ... the alternative to a Venat's genocide is a Zodiak's genocide which would be something far worse. I also often asked can they provide a scenario where a solution can be found where no one have to be scarified, no tyrant, no genocide happen? Despite asking that for years, that question always get ignored, much less getting a satisfactory answer.

Really? There were actually a few answers to that question in the bigger thread on this subject. That being said it is 800+ pages so I can understand not seeing them. The only clarifier I would ask on this is what would you consider an answer and more importantly what would you consider a satisfactory answer? For me the only scenario that really matters is "Can Venat just tell the leaders about the events of Elpis and about Meteion?" I'm not overly concerned with the result of that though.

I really just think the Ancients got shafted in a large part by Venat and I just want them to have had a chance with proper warning. They made a 12,000+ year temporary solution in Zodiark whom still worked in pieces. They did that with no prior knowledge so if Venat just told them what was going on then they could probably do better with more time to prepare. If they don't though and they all die that's still fine/satisfactory to me because they had the chance.

[4clubbedace]

I did say in another thread and it seems relevant here that in the beginning, during ARR, it is hinted at a few times that we and others with the echo are tempered by Hydaelyn. We would then be subject to the same biases as the Ascians were with Zodiark. It also appears that Zodiark doesn't consume Aether just by existing, but in order to perform the star altering tasks the ancients wanted to it to then they would have to sacrifice more lives to it.

it was confirmed that hyda doesnt temper anyone, although they kinda forget about the echo much at all in favor of the blessing, which was a spell venat could always use anyways. Kinda strange considering krille and iceheart