I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[RinaB]

I've heard this complaint forever and I can't speak for people's personal groups or statics but in duty finder it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal so I wouldn't expect much from the devs.

[Sebazy]

I've heard this complaint forever and I can't speak for people's personal groups or statics but in duty finder it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal so I wouldn't expect much from the devs.

Or the DF healers aren't actually paying attention to the screen for various reasons (Boredom, used to warriors that heal themselves and the group, used to PLDs that heal themselves, used to over eager DNCs that heal the group etcetcetc)

But yes, I'm sure it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal. I can only assume this is verified from the source right?

[Merrigan]

Or the DF healers aren't actually paying attention to the screen for various reasons (Boredom, used to warriors that heal themselves and the group, used to PLDs that heal themselves, used to over eager DNCs that heal the group etcetcetc)

But yes, I'm sure it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal. I can only assume this is verified from the source right?

This. I swear the last tank's death I directly caused was because I almost fell asleep :/

[ty_taurus]

I've heard this complaint forever and I can't speak for people's personal groups or statics but in duty finder it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal so I wouldn't expect much from the devs.

Yay, punish the class for the bad behavior of the troublemakers. That's totally not infuriating for those of us who do a good job or anything.

[Nizzi]

I've heard this complaint forever and I can't speak for people's personal groups or statics but in duty finder it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal so I wouldn't expect much from the devs.

you could literally take away every single dps button from healers and these people still would not be able to heal, it's a meaningless thing to say. these aren't broil/glare gods with 100% uptime, these are players who simply lack any sort of game sense to effectively play any job. in fact i'd say they choose healer solely because they get told how easy and lacking in responsibilities it is. if you didn't want to try, why wouldn't you pick a healer? for a majority of content now you aren't required at all and all you have to do is show up and press a single button over and over, and occasionally hit a 2nd every 30s if you're feeling like you want to try hard.

i stopped doing roulettes entirely because outside of healers being even more boring in casual content than they are in savage/ult, you get two types of tanks - the tanks that don't need you to heal at all and the tanks that literally refuse to press a single mitigation button at all because they believe they are a DPS job. this happens in savage too btw, all the time you get tanks that do not use any mits for TBs or other mechs because "I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BURST!"
so i think the logical and rational thing to do is to reduce tanks to 1 spam button and a DoT, plus a varying oGCD/GCD attack they can hit on a cooldown... or we can stop designing jobs around people who will fail to do their duties no matter what. clearly that design seems to extend to the tanks, because tanks like GNB and DRK haven't had their bursts gutted to compensate for the fact that a large amount of their players are unga bunga monkeys who just think they're big manly men there to do "big d*k deeps" and not do anything a tank should actually be doing (like mitigating damage!)

[Zeastria]

I've heard this complaint forever and I can't speak for people's personal groups or statics but in duty finder it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal so I wouldn't expect much from the devs.

I have notice this too!
- Co-healers who never use any heals cds,never ress, never Esuna.
- I have died to Eulogia's Eudaimon Eorzea, as DPS with full hp/zero hit prev taken - due lack of healing..
(this has only happened once..but still).

[Sebazy]

- Co-healers who never use any heals cds,never ress, never Esuna.

And again I ask. If healing was actually engaging, enjoyable and above all else consistently required even in casual endgame content do you feel that perhaps these people would actually be more inclined to pay attention to their FFXIV window rather than whatever TikTok/netflix is showing on the second screen?

*Edit* Also:

I have died to Eulogia's Eudaimon Eorzea, as DPS with full hp/zero hit prev taken - due lack of healing..

This is why I endlessly preach about the importance of saving a shadowplay recording or uploading a log when you die so that you can better understand what actually happened. You weren't at full HP, and you had a 25% vulnerability stack on you. So no, that's not what happened.

You took a vuln stack at 6:08 which was still on when you ate a ~52k hit from Eudaimon Eorzea which just about overkilled you. Without that Vuln you would have taken ~40k and lived just fine.

Curing Waltz was off cooldown and would have been enough to save you (Last used at 5:21). Shield Samba and Second Wind were both on cooldown unfortunately (I'd argue that both were kind of wasted given the big hit that was coming up but that's getting unfairly nitpicky and min-maxy for a modern 24 man).

As far as the lack of healing thing goes, you had Asylum, Medica II and a PI tick from the WHM, Lilybell had been used in the run up to the Eudaimon hit and the Sadge did a few E-Prognoses.

In the 10 seconds before you died, you received a rough total of 40k's worth of healing and the final hit overkilled you by 182 hp.

So yeah.

If you'd not eaten the 25% vuln you'd have lived just fine.
If you'd eaten pretty much any food with vit or even chugged a Healing pot you'd have scraped through.
If you'd have saved Samba for the upcoming hit you'd have been fine.
If you'd have remembered to hit curing waltz you'd have been fine.

You were the only one that died.

Are you sure it was a lack of healing?

[ty_taurus]

Are you sure it was a lack of healing?

Imagine if you had something like a bi-weekly or monthly web show of some sort where you spent 40 minutes debunking claims of people blaming the healers for not healing because they didn't see a Cure II casting. Not that that's any rational amount of work to request of someone, but I wonder if maybe that would convince at least a few people that the majority of healers aren't the pathetic toddlers who can't fit the square block in the square hole that they think they are.

[Zeastria]

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I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)


You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

[ForsakenRoe]

You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

Yes, and the four hits that came before that killing blow, were at +25%, making it harder to keep your HP at a stable 'you will live through this' level. Now you know /s

Being snarky aside, this might be the first time I've seen someone with a raiding resume as illustrious as Sebazy's get told 'you don't know how to read logs, here's a lesson', quite unexpected

Point of Sebazy's post, even if it is a bit blunt in how it's worded, is there: you said you took no healing in the leadup to the final hit, you got like 150% your healthbar in healing. Just, it turns out you needed 155% of your healthbar or so, to survive, thanks to the +25% fun sticker you picked up from somewhere. But you went straight for 'the healers didn't heal', and I'd have thought that as a healer main yourself you'd know better


In unrelated news, I had a Brandihild moment of inspiration earlier re: destroying the pure/barrier split