I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[AnotherPerson]

Well if you see healing role as slavery maybe should go pure dps role. Should play a job that you find fun to play.

Why do you come to the conclusion that when people want to play a healing role -- which combines both healing and DPS in the current gameplay -- to be forced to go move to a dps role if they just want more dps skills to do when they don't have anything to heal?

Why not just give both DPS and healing? If there's a DPS job where you can actively control how you heal like current healers with a more diverse DPS rotation for engagement, I'll play it. Just name the job.

RDM and SMN isn't it. RDM can't Vermedica and SMN can't control phoenix healing when they need it because it's melded into their DPS rotation. DNC have long cooldowns gating their healing and cannot use them on demand and do not possess raise. To my knowledge, none of the other DPS jobs have reliable on-demand healing that you want to use actively either.

So if you're going to tell me to go play a healer if I want to heal, we're back at Square 1, which is asking for more dps skills on a healer.

[Colt47]

I don't want to be a heal slave, I want to contribute to damage in significant ways no matter what role or job I am, and I want that damage contribution to be more complex and interesting.

I mean... is the "heal slave" thing a problem of the job, or the people that are running around getting hit by AOEs, get vuln stacks, and then fall over dead and complain about how we are not saving our instant cast for resurrecting them when they decided they would go kill themselves?

[TheDustyOne]

They've more or less made things harder in response, Abyssos being the prime example for Savage content. The problem is, despite how high they've raised the healing requirements, there's still far too much dead time when those healing requirements are met that are filled with Glare spam, and Abyssos already led to healer shortages with a lot of healers finding the role too stressful. There's no middle ground to be found where we can simultaneously make experienced healers happy with the healing requirement while also not overwhelming newer or less skilled players.

[Fellgon]

Honestly im not very good in multytasking, so they healer the way it is for me its fine. I dont play savage content so i dont know how it works in savages. Must be really stresfull like you said.

[Supersnow845]

Can we like pay a mod to put a bot in these forums that anytime someone writes some variation of “go play a DPS” they just get a big popup that says “this is not a valid argument” and then their comment gets deleted

[Fellgon]

Can we like pay a mod to put a bot in these forums that anytime someone writes some variation of “go play a DPS” they just get a big popup that says “this is not a valid argument” and then their comment gets deleted

Thats called censorship and that not good thing.

[Merrigan]

Thats called censorship and that not good thing.

Yeah, uh... Except when the argument is, I'm really sorry, but pretty dumb ?

[Fellgon]

Yeah, uh... Except when the argument is, I'm really sorry, but pretty dumb ?

calling players dumb doesn't sound very solid argument.

[Merrigan]

calling players dumb doesn't sound very solid argument.

Sigh. Mate, saying people can play other thing has been said... Maybe a billion time ?

Sorry if my message was taken the wrong way: I didn't mean that you, as a person, were stupid. But that the argument itself seemed to have been thrown out a bit quickly, without much thought.

Many answers have already been given:
- Pleasure in playing the supporting role, which no class really brings to FF outsides of healers.
- Many people also play dps; we're not in a game where restricting yourself to a single role is necessary. So to say that people who complain about healers "should play dps" is rather... Inconsistent?
- And finally, the fact that switching classes won't solve the underlying problem. Here, that the design of the healers, combined with that of the encounters, poses a real gameplay problem within this role.

The somewhat hasty answer that "all the person has to do is play dps" is also a bit hasty in the sense that, given the evolution of the game, it seems difficult to me to evolve towards pure healer. It's much more likely that we'll be moving towards a support role. In fact, we're already there... But without all the complexity usually associated with these roles. Healers are still healers, but a game that conceives them as supports and rezzes on legs, which results in a bastard thing... And boring as hell to play in 90% of its content.

[TheDustyOne]

Well if you see healing role as slavery maybe should go pure dps role. Should play a job that you find fun to play.

What Mithron is trying to get at (and myself as well) is that jobs are more than just their role, if tanks have access to a simple-yet-compelling melee DPS rotation, a healer having the same but for a more caster-oriented playstyle doesn't seem farfetched, especially since that's how they used to act back in SB. Telling someone to play another job will lead to healers "graduating" out of the role as they get bored of the mindless kit, which only makes the healer shortage worse over time, and doesn't actually provide a solution to their issue.

I played SCH because I liked having lots of DoTs and shields, now I only have those shields, "playing another job" won't actually help me since now there's very few jobs that have lots of DoTs, and if a DPS offered that, they still wouldn't have the shields I liked too.