I feel like i cant support Squex or cbu3 anymore

[Merrigan]

Telling you to quit the game because you're no longer enjoying it isn't toxic - and honestly I'm getting tired of having that argument. On ALL MMORPG forums it's the same thing: "I'm not happy, but if you tell me to leave it's toxic".

No. On the contrary, it's the best advice anyone can give you: it's what the company will hear best, and what will give you the most contentment since the game no longer suits you. Just imagine if someone said: "I don't like basketball any more. But if you tell me to stop playing, then you're a dirty troll". The guy would sound like a madman.

[strawberrycake]

Telling you to quit the game because you're no longer enjoying it isn't toxic - and honestly I'm getting tired of having that argument. On ALL MMORPG forums it's the same thing: "I'm not happy, but if you tell me to leave it's toxic".

No. On the contrary, it's the best advice anyone can give you: it's what the company will hear best, and what will give you the most contentment since the game no longer suits you. Just imagine if someone said: "I don't like basketball any more. But if you tell me to stop playing, then you're a dirty troll". The guy would sound like a madman.

I think for meny people who hate seeing that, at least around here in the XIV community is multifactored. Yoshida is on record saying he doesn't want a game that makes consumers feel like they have to play all the time, if you want to go play soemthing else if you don't like a patch, go play something else,

Now this is all well and dandy, when this was saidit was at the height of predatory live service games becoming the norm. The community, especially on the the main XIV subreddit and these forums has taken it as a means to telling anyone who is critical of the game to just leave because OBVIOUSLY they're burnt out and bored, theres nothing wrong with the patch or game.

Now while i agree, people should infact go and take breaks and not over do it. Why is it that on any post of people being fairly critical this is said? Why is it that the moment anyone says hey this system is kinda ass or I don't think this was the best idea theres a massive amount of people telling them to leave, or denying the legitimacy of someones issue.

It may be tiring, but if people feel like issues aren't being addressed, and people voice that, as they are told by the Dev, then are they wrong? Yoshida has been asking for honest feed back about the game, how its ran and wants people to give it. Just because a group of people don't like it doesnt mean they can then bully a person off the forum with statements from the director taken out of context.

[Merrigan]

To answer your question: I continue to support the game because I enjoy it. It's a pleasure for me to log on, continue what I haven't done yet and so on. I take frequent breaks, because having played HL before, I KNOW what MMORPGs are like when you log on every night: crap. No game, of any kind, can offer infinite content. So that's not what I'm asking for any more. Instead, I'm focusing on a very casual pace, with a few extreme and sadistic ones from time to time when I feel like it.

On a much broader level, I appreciate many things about the company's policy: community management, the refusal to rely on ancillary sites that harm the game, the refusal to go down the esport route to give a fantasy example that is only accessible to a few, but destroys the whole community in the process.

I appreciate the attention to detail and the fact that they try to answer all the questions, even if it's a bit clumsy at times. There's a real effort to be consistent most of the time, more so than on almost all the big MMORPGs I've played. I also got attached to the characters (silly me). The game looks pretty good at times too, but that's coming from someone who's played T4C. So... OK, then. Let's just say that the graphics aren't my priority.

There are plenty of things I'd criticise about the game too - but they don't outweigh the positives.

[StarRosie]

Predatory is valid in context because devs know the people defending the game, the hardcore base, sits around in Limsa emoting. There is nothing else to really do unless you're a tiny minority that progs Ultimates.

...No, it's not. I know you are trying to invent context where you're right. But you're not right, and you know it. I normally try not to say stuff like this, but please take this "The only people in the game are emoting people in Limsa" narrative, and shove it. Just, genuinely shove it because there are plenty of examples that just prove your narrative wrong. There are plenty of people doing glam farm parties, MINE runs of EX and Savage content, working on crafter relics, grinding older relics, or people just starting the game and going through MSQ. Hell, two days ago I was in a double decker hunt train that consisted of 100+ people. You can look all over and see this stuff plain as day. I know you ignore it all, but just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it's not there. So, sure...in your made up fantasy context. It's predatory. But in actual reality...it's not.

And for anyone saying it's not Predatory, Yoshida Allowed the SDS fenrir to be the fastest ground mount and promoted it for expansion launches multiple times lmfao. That is infact predatory and also contributes to why servers are shit on launch, people find this out from FC mates and people in game and rush to buy it since regular mounts are slow as shit until we get flying. It may be one mount, but it's still predatory af.

The Fenrir is only the "Fastest ground mount in the game" until you buy a riding map. Then every other mount in the game is as fast as the Fenrir. Because all the Fenrir does is get the riding map speed boost early. No, it doesn't get an extra boost when you buy a riding map. The reason for this isn't that Yoshi-p "Allowed it", he specifically asked for this to be a thing because he believed it would look really stupid for the SDS Fenrir to move at basic mount speeds. But...here's the thing, the thing that makes it not predatory at all. It's not mandatory. It's optional. You can choose not to get the Fenrir and just enjoy the hundreds of other mounts in the game. Ya know, like I've done since the SDS Fenrir was released.

[strawberrycake]

Riding maps are not available at release of any expansion and require grinding to get them, him promoting it is predatory as it could just be in game, They could LITERALLY just make our company chocobos faster naturally.

Also saying it's not mandatory, thats like saying, oh there gambling in the game but it's not mandatory, theres a reason the EU is going through hell to get this shit removed from all game lmfao. You're expecting people in XIV to have self control, when they can't even control themselves to not attack the devs over new races? Sad to say it but this does all fall into the companies lap. They are preying on people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

And this isn;t the first time SE has preyed on it's consumers, Looks at all of their gatcha games.

Another Example, DE, Makers of Warframe where you could literally pull a crank for 1 dollar and reskin your Kubrow, people would pull the crank and spend MASSIve amounts of money. Tey removed it the same week. Was it peoples choice to do something for a cosmetic? Yes. But it was predatory.

[Turtledeluxe]

...No, it's not. I know you are trying to invent context where you're right. But you're not right, and you know it. I normally try not to say stuff like this, but please take this "The only people in the game are emoting people in Limsa" narrative, and shove it. Just, genuinely shove it because there are plenty of examples that just prove your narrative wrong. There are plenty of people doing glam farm parties, MINE runs of EX and Savage content, working on crafter relics, grinding older relics, or people just starting the game and going through MSQ. Hell, two days ago I was in a double decker hunt train that consisted of 100+ people. You can look all over and see this stuff plain as day. I know you ignore it all, but just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it's not there. So, sure...in your made up fantasy context. It's predatory. But in actual reality...it's not.

So what you are saying is, people progging the same old content from patches ago, wearing Glam that is probably half from the store, grinding the same dold content, and doing hunt trains which is one of the most mind numbing easy and boring content to ever exist. No wonder.so many people sit in Limsa emoting.

Which is why I said it...nothing to really do because it's mostly old, repeatable grinds that are boring or trains which are mega boring. Then you have your % that does high end.

[Ardeth]

Genuinely wish you the best.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Riding maps are not available at release of any expansion and require grinding to get them, him promoting it is predatory as it could just be in game, They could LITERALLY just make our company chocobos faster naturally.

Also saying it's not mandatory, thats like saying, oh there gambling in the game but it's not mandatory, theres a reason the EU is going through hell to get this shit removed from all game lmfao. You're expecting people in XIV to have self control, when they can't even control themselves to not attack the devs over new races? Sad to say it but this does all fall into the companies lap. They are preying on people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

And this isn;t the first time SE has preyed on it's consumers, Looks at all of their gatcha games.



Another Example, DE, Makers of Warframe where you could literally pull a crank for 1 dollar and reskin your Kubrow, people would pull the crank and spend MASSIve amounts of money. Tey removed it the same week. Was it peoples choice to do something for a cosmetic? Yes. But it was predatory.

Yes they are, you can get them immediately after doing the fates in each zone for both Shadowbringers and Endwalker. Before that, no they weren't but Fenrir wasn't a thing back then either so we have to use modern availability.


10 years in I still own 0 mogstation mounts, and I haven't ever felt the need to get the fenrir, because I can just do fates.



Also, equating mount speed to gambling is just... no.

[strawberrycake]

Yes they are, you can get them immediately after doing the fates in each zone for both Shadowbringers and Endwalker. Before that, no they weren't but Fenrir wasn't a thing back then either so we have to use modern availability.


10 years in I still own 0 mogstation mounts, and I haven't ever felt the need to get the fenrir, because I can just do fates.



Also, equating mount speed to gambling is just... no.

It's been there since patch 4.4 He's promoted it in multiple interviews, charging for a feature other games naturally have is predatory. We can also have the conversation on how XIV literally makes no sense in hiw it steamlines specific features people enjoy in MMOs and leaves others in most people IN THIS GAME ask to be removed. Like the FATE system most people constantly rag on in disgust. Literally have seen plenty of posts on how people Don;t touch fates. But good for you for agreeing we should be charged for A basic feature. Predatory.

And once again. Instead of defending having all the items in the cash shop, it should be in the game for free, and earnabl. We're really just defending it's existence and then wondering why rewards in the Criterion dungeons are lack luster to non-existent. This is funny lol.

Edit: and this is the point I constantly make, instead of looking at the bigger picture, everyone in this community cherry picks what they personally agree with as the game gets dumbed down more, as more rewards get removed, as more content gets handed to people who don;t even care about the dev team or the game. But as long as Yoshida makes you feel all special and your lane is ok, it's fine to ignore everything else and just not care! Like No call out not having ALL those holiday items being in the game and just purchasable with gil, callout the statues that are Fomo, call out mounts having speed boosts, callout housing items that can literally be crafted not being craft able. Stop letting a corp use your nonchalantness to make shit that was normal in games before a luxury item.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's been there since patch 4.4 He's promoted it in multiple interviews, charging for a feature other games naturally have is predatory. We can also have the conversation on how XIV literally makes no sense in hiw it steamlines specific features people enjoy in MMOs and leaves others in most people IN THIS GAME ask to be removed. Like the FATE system most people constantly rag on in disgust. Literally have seen plenty of posts on how people Don;t touch fates. But good for you for agreeing we should be charged for A basic feature. Predatory.

And once again. Instead of defending having all the items in the cash shop, it should be in the game for free, and earnabl. We're really just defending it's existence and then wondering why rewards in the Criterion dungeons are lask luster to non-existent. This is funny lol.

It is in the game, for free, and earnable. You do fates and unlock mount speed for every mount. I know no one who purchased the fenrir for mount speed. No one.