Quitting ffxiv for good

[Striker44]

You wouldnt even see half of the people on the forums spending their countless hours writing endless texts in various threads, if the game had some meaningful lasting content.

It has "meaningful lasting content" - it also has the reality that not every human being will enjoy every particular type of content. You see the people endlessly whining on the forums because they personally happen to not enjoy the content that exists. Meanwhile, you don't see double the amount of people writing those posts because other people do enjoy that content and are actively playing it in-game.

Must be fun to sit in Limsa all day and browse that mod catalogue while paying real cash in there.

If you want credibility, this is not the way to go about earning it. Setting up strawmen and insulting people just for not sharing your opinion doesn't help whatever cause you have.

[ty_taurus]

I have a question: If not being satisfied with the state of the game is considered endlessly whining, then can someone share what criticism is acceptable? Or is no criticism acceptable because no one should be allowed to be dissatisfied with anything?

[VerdeLuck]

Oh, the main point of the article I linked was about how Bungie had to lay off ~100 of its employees because of how many people have left and pre-orders came in a whopping 45% under expectation. As I said, it's different when you're trying to piece the puzzle together on the spot rather than having watched it being assembled, but the overwhelming consensus was that Bungie specifically catered to the critics and streamers this expansion...and killed the game for almost everyone else. Yes, the "content creators" will praise the gameplay - meanwhile the other 99% hated it and 2/3 of them quit.... (Edit: Yes, those numbers are hyperbole, don't take them literally. You get the point...)

I've seen the same with various other games and that's why I beat the drum of listening to ACTUAL player feedback and group sentiment instead of thinkpiece writers, influencers, and streamers. Those people will always want something different than the general public just by nature of them wanting something to make people watch them play the game 8 hours a day, every day or read their clickbait think pieces. It's a real shame when game companies take the easy way out and just rely on streamers and influencers to be their PR, Marketing, and community outreach all in one since they are going to have their own agendas and have no guarantee they will actually convey what players are thinking as a whole.

An example I'll always stick with is Overwatch 2, they really drove home the influencer support by eliminating their Test servers, ignoring their bug report and feedback forums for the most part, and getting almost 100% of their feedback for changes from streamers being given an early sneak peek build and then telling them how they like it. The whole game just shifted towards streamers, stream watchers, esports fans, and the "elite", which is definitely a direction, but it absolutely murdered their player numbers and burned a lot of fans. You can't do that in a live service game, casual players and new players are your lifeblood and your game lives or dies based on them. Streamers want long grinds to have content to stream, they want increasingly hard content for clickbait videos of "The New Raids are HOW HARD??!?!!?", as well as hard content that the average player cannot experience or see unless they watch a stream. That's not really what the average player or casual player really is looking for in a game like this.

[NanaWiloh]

Sorry this had to happen. The FFXIV community can be horrible at times, and I don't blame you. Best of luck to you wherever you go.

Community is not horrible this is how most MMO communities treat quit threads. Bad actors and liars have turned such threads into meme's and Jokes, so people dont take them seriously or believe the poster is actually quitting.

[Lium]

I have a question: If not being satisfied with the state of the game is considered endlessly whining, then can someone share what criticism is acceptable? Or is no criticism acceptable because no one should be allowed to be dissatisfied with anything?

Criticism is absolutely necessary in any form. I believe everyone’s opinions are valid, even the ones I disagree with. And I really do mean that.

However, context is important. We are in the middle of a two-year drought in expansions. OF COURSE things are gonna feel stale now. Especially if you, like the OP claims, have cleared everything that interests you.

The forums are also terrible and represent a fraction of the player base. Everyone else is on Discord and Reddit and various other social media platforms. Forums are a relic of the mid 2000s.

I also think it’s important to understand the target audience. In WoW, the focus is to get to max level as fast as possible and start raiding or engage in esports. And that’s perfectly okay because Blizzard knows its core audience.

FFXIV is a completely different game with a different focus. Here, it’s all about the story, accessibility and solo content. The minute it takes a turn to be more challenging or whatever is the minute I close my wallet and I can guarantee you way more people than the OP will quit as well.

Different strokes for different folks.

[OgruMogru]

FFXIV is a completely different game with a different focus. Here, it’s all about the story, accessibility and solo content.

This is a bit of a fib. A big bit of a fib. You might not like engaging with the harder battle content, but that doesn't mean battle content [all degrees of difficulty] isn't a core aspect of the game, and it doesn't mean people are unwarranted in complaining about the state of battle content or the game at large.

[Tsumdere]

Why do people look back fondly at nier raids. I've never wiped in any of them and they were extremely long and boring.. There's just been that pvp meme in puppets bunker boss 2 with aiming the stack at another party but that's it, it doesn't actually wipe everyone.

Agree. I will die on the hill that the Nier raids are the worst Alliance raid series we've ever gotten. The wipes stopped week 1 (just like Myths), the fights are very long and very boring, the story is hollow nonsense, and it's literally a giant advertisement. I cannot believe to this day that people will defend a non-Final Fantasy ad that replaced a major expansion feature. At least Monster Hunter had the decency to be an *extra* trial, not a replacement of something.

[Lium]

This is a bit of a fib. A big bit of a fib. You might not like engaging with the harder battle content, but that doesn't mean battle content [all degrees of difficulty] isn't a core aspect of the game, and it doesn't mean people are unwarranted in complaining about the state of battle content or the game at large.

As expected, here is the forum response that takes a snippet of what I posted and takes it wildly out of context.

Nowhere did I say that type of content wasn't a core aspect. Just that it wasn't THE focus. Also, literally my first sentence, "Criticism is absolutely necessary in any form. I believe everyone’s opinions are valid, even the ones I disagree with. And I really do mean that."

[Striker44]

I have a question: If not being satisfied with the state of the game is considered endlessly whining, then can someone share what criticism is acceptable? Or is no criticism acceptable because no one should be allowed to be dissatisfied with anything?

It's not actually "endlessly whining". I was just mimicking your tone of inherently insulting anyone who happens to have a different opinion than you (by trying to act as if your opinion regarding "meaningful content" was somehow absolute objective fact). Acknowledge that comments are purely your own opinions, and I respond in kind.

Generally speaking, though, I think the amount and type of "criticism" people give is a good sign. There are people who will make particular critiques from time-to-time alongside a variety of other comments. Heck, I'm known for being a "pro-FFXIV" poster around here, but if you go through my history, you'll see I've offered criticism of things like the glamour system, chat setup, etc. at various times. On the other hand, when you see the same person making new posts on a regular basis (sometimes day after day after day) all completely trashing everything about the game...that's when you've got someone who probably just really needs to step away, either for a while or for good.

Agree. I will die on the hill that the Nier raids are the worst Alliance raid series we've ever gotten. The wipes stopped week 1 (just like Myths), the fights are very long and very boring, the story is hollow nonsense, and it's literally a giant advertisement. I cannot believe to this day that people will defend a non-Final Fantasy ad that replaced a major expansion feature. At least Monster Hunter had the decency to be an *extra* trial, not a replacement of something.

Welcome to the world! Where you get to interact with a wide variety of other human beings, each of whom can have their own opinions which may be different from yours! For the record, I still enjoy whenever Alliance Roulette gives me either Copied or Tower, I absolutely love the music, I find the fights themselves fun, and that "advertisement" has in turn translated into dozens of hours of *more* fun playing the NieR games (which I hadn't even known existed). Also, I play FFXIV primarily for the story and the music, but I also fully expect only the MSQ to be the "serious" story. The side-stories I don't take that seriously and just enjoy them for what they are. My advice - play the game that's been created instead of being bitter when other human beings made a game different than the one you wanted them to make.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Agree. I will die on the hill that the Nier raids are the worst Alliance raid series we've ever gotten. The wipes stopped week 1 (just like Myths),

Then you've been extremely lucky with your roulette groups. Pugs can and will wipe on just about anything, given half a chance. (Literally the only reason I say "just about" is that I've never managed to die fighting Thordan on Normal mode, even when he was current content, despite trying to do so for a laugh.) I've seen wipes in the Nier raids within the last couple of months.