We need to talk about the PC Gamer article

[Lunalepsy]

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https://www.pcgamer.com/2024-is-goin...ating-formula/

I know there are many on this forum who would like to downplay or flat out deny that the games current formula is killing the game, but while pc gamer does not have the best reputation, having read this article over, i feel it actually echoes many of the issues ive had with this game ever since patch 5.5.

ive played now for 4 years this january. i think ive been around for a while, and long enough at least to see endwalker/shb doing there thing. Ive noticed so many drops in quality, from the design on the boss and savage fights, to even effort in the msq.. effort in new clothing. effort even in music with almost all endwalker bosses sharing a theme or borrowing right out of ff4. I dont know about shb.. yes the weapons were taken from ff7... but they allways felt original somehow.. yet the 4 fiends and 2 bosses.. didnt feel original at all really.. zeromus wasnt even anything more than a homage. his attack is even called nostalgia.

the combat system has also been neutered in exchange for making things easier. straying more and more away from tradition ff jobs like time mage, geomancer and corsair as we edge towards these "original" jobs that feel.. honestly.. out of place. reaper i feel only worked because the lore supported it so well.. however. yes. the job feels out of place

I feel aswell with mods, that it continues to be the case that somebody else gets shot so that everybody else gets yoshiP to impliment that mod into the game... making players essentially feel disposable or like infintry men deing for a good cause...

i can only hope with this article.. that it will return to CBU3's attention and that they will actually adress this.. if they can. otherwise. and this is sad. but all those suggesting to just "quit and leave" may find this game lonley and barren for the worst. because honestly. i dont really understand why telling loyal players to just "leave" whenever they try to criticise the game for improvments is good for the game in any way.

for now its just another day of hope that dawntrail will be better

Game's already stale. Move your friends to Discord and play other games.

[TBerry]

I've quit ffxiv for now. I'll return in the next patch for msq them bail till summer. I've had a blast playing kh3 and finishing up the story. After that ill move onto ff7r. But ideally I don't wanna quit ff at all. It's my home. The one mmo I really fit into. With a character I enjoy creating. I am hoping the game can be better so I can enjoy it again past raiding. Sure ppl say it won't change. But they need to less they commit business suicide. So we will see what they do. In 2025 i will be on mh wilds anyway and can easily live there if 14 becomes stale

So basically as is usual for the game. People quitting to return to the next patch or expansion. Nothing unusual here.

[Xalefor]

People can call the Patch content Formula stale all they like, I like the consistency. Even if you know what kind of content they will bring, you never know what secrets or curveballs they'll throw in via MSQ or fight mechanics, etc.

[Aword3213]

People can call the Patch content Formula stale all they like, I like the consistency. Even if you know what kind of content they will bring, you never know what secrets or curveballs they'll throw in via MSQ or fight mechanics, etc.

They will start complaining and raging about new formula everywhere on the internet when they found out they got 1 less Savage raids per tier and 2 less trial bosses in exchange of totally different contents per patch.

[DPZ2]

They will start complaining and raging about new formula everywhere on the internet when they found out they got 1 less Savage raids per tier and 2 less trial bosses in exchange of totally different contents per patch.

Start? Or did you mean "started"? Because they've been complaining since Heavensward. The content complaints have been pretty consistent over the last 8 years, even when new stuff was added.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Start? Or did you mean "started"? Because they've been complaining since Heavensward. The content complaints have been pretty consistent over the last 8 years, even when new stuff was added.

Its the neverending cycle and people easily forget about it just like how everyone in South Park forgets that Kenny dies all the time.

[Turtledeluxe]

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To be honest, no I do not read over the "why" behind why people say to unsub. There can be any number of motivations, none of them make sense. That's whole point of all my posts. People are unsubbing. What more do you want? When I say you, it's the general you. Do you want the author to unsub, the player you're talking to unsub? That just means you're not willing to take accountability for your own browsing habits? And it's not even equivalent because a player cannot just "opt out" of the two minute meta like you can opt out of a thread based on the title. But also the game has a lot more than even the combat so why is the solution to unsub? It doesn't make sense, just admit it and move on. It's a faulty insult based on someone's own incompetence to solve problems or address isolated concerns. It's throwing the whole burger away bc the restauraunt put mayo on it and you hate mayo.

[Glenfiddich]

"We need to talk"

Man no we don't.

Who cares what an irrelevant gaming mag says these days. It's all hot air in wind.

There's a reason 'gaming journalism' is considered a laughing stock. Hardly Pulitzer-material...

And yet another "ffxiv is dying" thread

Do you never get bored ?

Well said. I like that.

[StarRosie]

To be honest, no I do not read over the "why" behind why people say to unsub. There can be any number of motivations, none of them make sense.

There are plenty that make sense. Jojoya gives an incredibly valid one, speak with your wallet. Make a choice that is both smart for you and tells SE that you are unhappy with the product. And no, this isn't trying to get some "Magic scenario" to happen. It is general advice towards one person to make a decision that may or may not be the healthier decision for them. Does it make any form of financial sense for a player to pay 15$ a month for a game that has not been satisfying said player for 2 years? Or 4 years? Or more? Or one of the two times I have ever suggested someone consider unsubbing, when the person was showing some pretty clear signs of addiction towards the game, and it was making them irrational and ultra aggressive towards basically everyone. Do you think they should just be allowed to continue down that path? You SHOULD read why someone would suggest it. You SHOULD read someone's arguments and try to understand them. Because if you don't, and yet argue against them anyway, you are arguing against a strawman at that point. At that point, any argument you make is basically irrelevant because it isn't addressing anything someone is saying. You're just ranting against an imaginary argument. That's not discussion.

When I say you, it's the general you.

Yeah, I would suggest ya stop doing that. Because all it has done is made you come off like you're arguing against a strawman, and make you come off like a tool. Cause right now, when I'm using "You", I am strictly referring to you. Save for like, one part in quotations below.

That just means you're not willing to take accountability for your own browsing habits?

No? Again, maybe you should actually READ someone's arguments and understand what they are trying to say? Not treat them like they are part of some monolithic hivemind? Maybe then you will see they might be making a valid point and are therefore fully taking accountability for their browsing habits and see that maybe they aren't this strawman version of themselves you conjured up. Don't get me wrong. There are idiots, on both ends of this. But...If you do not like seeing people making "You should probably unsub." arguments. Maybe consider employing the same tools you are suggesting they use? By constantly engaging with these arguments, that you openly admit you do not read the reasoning of, are you also not taking accountability for your own browsing habits? I've blocked people on here who I just do not want to engage with, because they made my time browsing here miserable. However, the block function also leaves an enormous amount to be desired in terms of, as one user on here puts it, curating my browsing experience.

And it's not even equivalent because a player cannot just "opt out" of the two minute meta like you can opt out of a thread based on the title.

That's what going to play something else or unsubbing is! To pull something I talked about in another thread. "Play the game we have. Not the game we want." This is the mantra for Destiny 2's main PVP subreddit. And the whole meaning behind it is "You play the meta we have. Not the meta you want. If you try to play like we're in X meta while we are in Y meta, all you'll do is lose. Advocate for the changes you want. Give clear, calm, concise feedback on what the issues are. But when you log in to play, either play the game we currently have. Or don't and make yourself miserable. Your choice." it is a mentality meant to keep players from torturing themselves by playing a garbage meta that they hate. A mentality that puts the responsibility for their enjoyment of the game, into their hands. I hated the healing meta that popped up in Season of the Haunted and it stuck around for two seasons. So guess what? I didn't play PVP for two seasons. (Though, given the current state of the game...I don't play it at all right now.) And a lot of other people didn't play that meta either. So that forced Bungie to look at the feedback and the healing meta got nerfed. Hell, this even applied to high end PVE in that game. The overabundance of healing trivialized parts of high end PVE. And it also applies here too. Don't like the two minute meta? Fine, either go play content where it doesn't matter, or something else entirely. Don't get me wrong or try to twist my words. Players should, and I'm gonna repeat that, SHOULD advocate for the changes they want. Give clear, calm, concise feedback. But they should also make a choice that is HEALTHY for them too. Not continue to torture themselves by engaging with something they hate. What that healthy choice is, that is ultimately up to them. Some may give a suggestion. But again, the choice of what that healthy option is for them, is ultimately up to them. I'm not going to directly tell people to play something else or unsub. I ain't their mom. I might suggest delving into some side content they haven't done. But I'm not telling them to. I might suggest play something else. But I'm not telling them to. The choice is still their choice.

But also the game has a lot more than even the combat so why is the solution to unsub?

I don't know, maybe read the WHY and it might make sense. And even if it doesn't or you disagree, at least you will be able to make an INFORMED counterargument.

It doesn't make sense, just admit it and move on

If you don't read the reasoning behind it, yeah. It won't make sense. But maybe it might if you actually read what the person is saying.

It's a faulty insult based on someone's own incompetence to solve problems or address isolated concerns.

I genuinely do not understand how you can call that an insult. Is it always the best response? Oh god no. But it's not an insult.

It's throwing the whole burger away bc the restauraunt put mayo on it and you hate mayo.

Maybe they hate mayo because they're allergic to it. Again, this all just wraps back to maybe you should read what people are saying. Or employ the tools you are suggesting others use. But it also all comes back to something I said earlier...

Personally, I think everyone should maybe grow up a bit and learn to have an actual civil discussion rather then suggest echo chambers.

That's my Ted Talk. Thanks for coming. And again. I ain't got nothing against you. So if I said some things that are too harsh or came off mean spirited? My apologies. Live your best life, have a nice day. And I hope you have/had a happy holidays.

[Zairava]

Look man, if TERA is still somehow alive on console, this game will be fine even if Dawntrail is midwalker 2.0. Not only was ShB during covid there was also the WoW exodus during Shadowlands that made the population explode in unpredicted proportions. (Ironically, Dragonflight and the Classic updates have been pretty great. Fastest 180 in the west)

I've already put my input in more times than I care to count multiple times over. Just move to other games while we wait to see what DT brings to the table instead of malding repeatedly on here for your own health.