We need to talk about the PC Gamer article

[StarRosie]

Can you please explain how it goes both ways?

I have...twice. Pretty clearly. So you are either actively ignoring what's being said. Or it's flying over your head because you are conflating two separate things or too busy shoving words I am not saying at all down my throat. Or did you miss the part where I said I don't believe telling people to unsub isn't really going to help? I merely explained why others say it. Never once have I advocated that it is the right course. Or the points of trying to get you to see the forums are for BOTH positive and negative feedback? You want me to explain it AGAIN? Fine, lets roll it back.

As I keep saying the solution is not for critics to ubsub but rather for defenders to perhaps stay playing the game where being informed doesn't matter.

This first and foremost is where I disagree, it just reads as advocating for anyone who has a positive outlook of the game to stay off the forums. Which reads advocating for an echo chamber of "Critical" or negative feedback only. Even though, as I have said, the forums are for both positive and negative feedback. I asked you, where are people supposed to go if they want to leave positive feedback in regards to a change or piece of content? Or feedback that tells SE they did something right? And you dodged the question in favor of shoving words I'm not saying down my throat.

After all what exactly are you expecting in a place for discussions? Endless praise? Can't you just find that in the actual game?

And this overall further solidifies what I said in the very first reply. You are conflating discussion with negative feedback. Which is why I asked the question "Where are those who want to provide positive feedback supposed to go?" which again, you dodged in favor of shoving words down my throat.

Now please keep in mind, I am not saying you have outright advocated for an echo chamber. Because you haven't. Just like I haven't said telling people to unsub is a good thing, or that it helps. Or really...anything you have said that I am saying in your latest reply to me. I am merely saying, that's how this suggestion/idea READS. At least to me.

If you don't like thread, don't read it. That's my suggestion.

Have you considered blocking people and ignoring their threads when they consistently make posts you don't like? That is a function on this site.

The reason I say that these sentiments go both ways is because, and I'm gonna be blunt here. Y'all never practice what you preach. Anytime a thread pops up that tries to provide positive feedback, the 'critics' descend upon said thread and be hypocritical jackasses. If ya don't like people telling others to unsub...why not block those people and ignore them? The option exists for you too ya know. However, that actually doesn't help anything when it comes to...actual discussion. But when a thread like this one pops up, and people overall disagree with it or something. The critics start parroting...

If you don't like thread, don't read it. That's my suggestion.

This all again, reads like advocating for echo chambers. Because if someone disagrees with the point of the thread, that also means...they don't like the thread. So, if we follow your suggestion, we cannot read the thread and post a disagreement. So what does that leave? Only posts that agree with the thread.

Now, keep in mind that I am fully aware that to some degree, me saying that goes both ways also means the advocation for echo chambers would go both ways. But I also pointed out that the jackass behavior is on both sides. Which is also why I say...

Personally, I think everyone should maybe grow up a bit and learn to have an actual civil discussion rather then suggest echo chambers.

Which, you know, would probably help the forums not just be more tolerable, but actually serve their purpose. Full honesty, I was overall just going to ignore this thread after reading the article and some of the posts. But then I saw your post and felt like that was something I should maybe voice my thoughts on. Do I regret that choice now? Sorta. But it's better to voice your thoughts if something feels wrong. Which is also a ringing endorsement of "If you feel something is wrong with the game, say something." ya know.

Personally, when it comes to the article this thread is focusing on...it just reeks of a quick piece meant to generate some clicks. The only thing I agree with is that the content formula is a tad stale. But everything else just reads like they browsed reddit or even here for some negative points and put them in the article, cause rage clicks are still clicks. Is that being cynical? Maybe. But I also know three people who have worked in game/internet journalism for a combined 35 years, and they've told me before that this is a pretty common practice. Especially if someone is behind quota. Or at least, it was in their day and place of work.

Your magic scenario where 1 million players simultaneously log off in protest of the game is never going happen.

First off...that ain't something I'm advocating for. But secondly, I feel this needs to be said on this point in particular. People also said this about WoW. Again, that's not me advocating for folks to unsub, just that maybe 'never' is the wrong word there. Unlikely is probably the better choice. But, yeah. Lots of folks said this about WoW and uh...look what happened.

But all and all, I really want to stress. Like hard stress. I am not saying you've advocated or directly said "Leave the forums to be echo chambers for negative feedback only!" and if at some point I accidently did because I missed it in my proof reading, I apologize. But overall, I'm just saying that's how it all READS and voicing my disagreement and thoughts on that. Also, understand that I got nothing against you, or really anyone here. So, if I said anything that gave off that impression. Apologies.

I'm also probably done here, cause I'm putting too much focus on something that's just generating frustration. And that's not good for my health. So, have a good one. Live your best life.