Feels like people are more toxic in high-end duty Party Finder than before

[Mcg55ss]

That's probably because it's made up of almost entirely veteran players. If you examine the Lucky Bancho data, it is actually almost entirely alts and veteran players that went over. This is even clear if you look at the evidence of boosts bought on it (you can see by this massive spike of people at level 80 that barely exists elsewhere in the data). Veteran players are more likely to be impatient because they already know how to do everything efficiently, and that can come across as toxicity.

As a player on dynamis I don't know if I've come across toxicity yet but I do notice a lot of players have very inflated egos of themselves. Like some veteran players think they're best or a god at certain aspects and want the newer players that played a follow them and actually do very little in the way of teaching new player so they don't have to be dependent on them. It's funny to watch as somebody that's only played a year but ive just accepted how it is. Raiding is pretty much dead on this server anyway but I will be I guess starting a static eventually because finally one here is near impossible but it doesn't mean people don't want to raid but for those of us who are new will probably a little skittish or having anxiety over starting our own

[Troxbark]

Hello and sorry for this post, I just wanted to rant, or at least, share my frustration if people had similar experience than mine.
I've been playing this game for 7 years now, been raiding since Stormblood. Most of the time, I was playing in party finder, but I never had any problem with anyone. I've started healing in Endwalker, while having healer experience from other mmorpgs. I've played every healer except SCH, and never had any problem during the first weeks and months of Asphodelos, Abyssos and Anabaseios. I've cleared those raids week 1, 2 at most, as a healer, without any problem or complain from my co healer. People were, most of the time, friendly, and I had a great experience progging with them.
I've returned recently to raid again, because I enjoyed them, but can't help but noticed, sometimes, when I was joining a premade party (with a healer in it), the later was always playing baddly on purpose, wasting all of their mana spamming the same shield over and over again when there was no threats, and starts attacking and harassing me for not healing, giving as proof their low mana, implying they were doing all the job, with most of the premade party attacking me too.
It never happened to me before. I've played several healers, healed the infamous Harrowing Hell week 1, and managed to kill it. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I've always played the same, and I never had any problem during the first weeks and months of raiding. I never had any problem with the two previous tier either. Can't say a thing from previous expac as I was playing a DPS
I don't know what to say but it disgusts me from this game. I've never seen people so agressive, or prone to harassment like this before.
I'm done with this game, what's the point of playing if people are at each's other throat because I guess attacking a rando is entertaining?
All of my friends left the game some months ago, and I think I'll do the same.
I wish other will have a better PF raiding experience than me
Thank you for coming to my ted talk

This is basically a copy pasta from the omega static drama.

Good try tho.

[UkcsAlias]

PF is strange in the Chaos DC (EU). While true toxicity isnt often visible. When a bad player is involved, parties die rapidly because of that. Either because 1 player is bad and refusing to leave, causing others to leave and just try a diffirent party (because blaming risks banning they remain silent). Or the bad player leaves and player react happy.

Its that bad that if you want to clear harder content, its better to use DC travel and visit the other DC (Light). That one has more parties, and far less toxicity issues. Yet outside of PF, toxicity is mostly caused by players from light traveling to chaos (luckily still rare enough to realy be called a problem). And its usualy not even from anything duty related either causing these issues. Its hard to realy grasp which players are a real issue here. Could be that the traveler title makes people more aware or something... who knows?

But i do think that having PF going cross DC would be a great addition to solve some of these problems. Even if that would cause some extra limitations on your home world (like retainers being unavailable while in a cross DC party). It would prevent the need to travel, yet still gain its biggest benefit. Light PF instead of Chaos PF is a huge diffirence.

[Wawaya]

I can promise people were more toxic in Stormblood than they are now. In Stormblood, it was either 1-wipe disband or 3-wipe disband. Now I join reclear parties on a regular basis where people will actually go for an hour or two (if the parties are that poor at mechanics) until the clear.

You're right, I may have not noticed it before, because I was still 'new' to the end game, and mainly playing with people with more experience than me, rarely alone in PF, but I totally believe you. I guess I'm noticing this kind of behaviour only now, that I'm more experienced, and was playing alone for a few months with a full party of random.
Though you are right, it may be a bit of an overreaction, but playing with not very nice people was draining, and I was already kinda bored of the game, without anyone left

[Eastwall]

Feels bad for my fellow lala. I hope you find something else you enjoy .I play pvp, If l run into people like that, You bet l will save all the lb for that person, Or just disconnect on them

[Troxbark]

It's a shame that you think it is, but you're free to believe what you want. I'm not here to argue, I don't have time for trolling or memeing, I've already unsub, reluctantly, and I would never create fake scenarios. I'm telling the truth, and was lucky to recieve answers from comprehensive people

It's literally a 1:1 from the omega static drama and not sorry I take your story with a grain of salt when you're hiding behind a lvl40 monk alt.

Now my personal opinion on it. You had weeks/months of raiding and one bad session that caused you to rage quit everything over AND post it to the forums? High end PF comes with salt sometimes, everyone knows this, to post something so absurd on the forums instead of just leaving the team and trying again, you're basically just trying to manufacture drama at this point. It's especially absurd when if what you say is true, you've already proven to be a successful raider.

[technole]

A majority of the good players have all quit 'til Dawntrail

Yep, cycle repeats every time a short while after last .5 major content patch of the expansion. Everything from that point on is minor trinkets, catch-up relic step for a savage weapon you had for 7+ months, nerfs, echo,and unlocking things. None of which will change anything.

[TaleraRistain]

I haven't really run into that much on Aether, so it may be something that happens more in specific regions or DCs. There's always going to be some salt. That's kind of just the nature of PF and queueing with randoms in general with this game. But the vast majority of people on Aether are either chill or just bail instead of making a big fuss.

[Denji]

Happens constantly on Primal where someone will join a learning party and then get angry at the lack of clear after the 2nd attempt.
There's also a lot of people who think it's socially acceptable to mess with new players by intentionally starting before they're ready and forcing the party to restart for laughs only to then taunt the newbie for being nevious or annoyed instead of laughing.
It's hella lame.

[TaleraRistain]

Happens constantly on Primal where someone will join a learning party and then get angry at the lack of clear after the 2nd attempt.
There's also a lot of people who think it's socially acceptable to mess with new players by intentionally starting before they're ready and forcing the party to restart for laughs only to then taunt the newbie for being nevious or annoyed instead of laughing.
It's hella lame.

I wonder if folks left on Primal making PFs there are just the trolls or something. Primal folks are pretty well-behaved when they come over to Aether. I've seen saltiness in learning parties sometimes but it's usually just someone dipping after a wipe or two with no word.