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  1. #11
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    Hi fellow warrior of light,

    Sch main here.

    -I’m with Ren on remove fairy blessings cooldown and just make it useable if we have enough fairy gauge.
    -I’d also love an instant cast shield that we can cast on the fly for quick shielding.
    -I’d absolutely love the fairy tether just be a regular gcd that doesn’t use the fairy gauge.
    -Give fairy embrace a tiny shield attached to it.
    -Another stratagem will be nice too. Chain is cool and all but I’d love another one. Maybe one that makes the boss take more damage or reduces the damage they do to the party.
    -(Would never happen) But I wish pets took damage again. Then I’d love a skill to allow me to swap health bars with eos.
    -(Level 100 Skill) Allow us to call down Selene so both eos and Selene can go crazy with embraces all over the place and everything can be doubled. Like casting whispering dawn will make it that both eos and Selene will cast it. Same goes for all the fairy abilities. For like 20 seconds. On a 2 min cooldown.
    -Also please add 5 more seconds back to expedient for speed buff. I agree it was very powerful at 20 seconds for the speed buff but 15 seconds should be totally okay.

    Thank you,
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    You know, I'm actually glad SE doesn't listen to this forum for feedback at all now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    You know, I'm actually glad SE doesn't listen to this forum for feedback at all now
    It’s called Wishlist for a reason lol.
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    Scholar - Remove the fairy as a pet instead make it always hover above your shoulder, unless you activate fey union than she just hoves over the shoulder of whoever you union.

    WHM - Up Tetra to 800 give it a 2nd charge

    Astro - remove single target cards and reduce lightspeed cd to 60sec, add PVP style aoe cards

    Sage - Turn taurochole into a shield instead of a heal
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    Scholar Lv 100
    [I will just copy(and cut a lot) of what i have written in previous similar threads]

    Card-system:
    3 type of cards: Role-based!

    Blue Card => TANK [Def/mitigation+ dmg]
    Green Card => HEALER [MP + dmg]
    Red Card => DPS [Crit + dmg]

    Note: If you give the wrong card to wrong role:
    The dmg buff gets reduced and the extra buff effect dosnt apply.

    [Minor Arcana]:
    - Turns into a second card deck, separated from your main deck.
    - They will be AOE cards and give buffs like: inc movement speed(in combat), inc healing, mitigation..ect (utility kind of buffs).
    - You can't choose [RNG]; You draw one card and have to use the card to get a new one(has cd).
    - They stack, but the effect gets reduced.(If 2 AST, and they both buff with same ability)
    [The Lord card will be a seperated ability with 60s cd]


    [Astrodyne] and (astrosigns):
    All the buffs are given regardless of astrosigns!
    But their duration is based on the how many unique seals you got:

    1 = 10sec
    2 = 15s
    3 = 20s
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    SCH/AST/DNC/VPR/SMN

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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelotter View Post
    I dabble with all healers, though WHM and SGE are my mains. Main things I'd want are:

    Scholar
    • Energy Drain to be reworked away from a damage dealing move (X or damage design), either back to an MP regen or a Fairy gauge boost so it still acts as an aetherflow dumping move.
    • The ability to use Eos as a movement option, similar to BLM's {Between the Lines}.
    • Eos automatically teleporting to your side if you accidentally leave her on Place mode in a boss fight.
    This is all I want. You put it into words perfectly. ;0;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    SCH: Remove Dissipation or rework to where it no longer removes Eos. Remove Fey Blessing's CD, it now costs 30 Faerie Gauge to execute. Remove Energy Drain from costing Aetherflow, it now costs 10 Faerie Gauge. Lower Deployment Tactics' CD to 60 seconds. Have Lustrate upgrade via Trait to also granting a 200 potency barrier (like Celestial Intersection manages to do) and/or give it a short duration (5 sec?) sprint speed to the target like Expedience does.
    Genuine question (no hate intended!) but wouldn't moving ED from stacks to fairy gauge keep the root problem of scholar's contradictory "heal or damage" kit design in place? Esp. if you tie more skills than fairy union to the gauge?

    Instead of having to decide whether I sacrifice aetherflow heals for damage I'd decide whether I sacrifice fairy healing for damage.

    And since I can collect up to 10 charges of ED with the proposed design the pressure to use many if not all fairy gauge charges for (considerably more) damage might be even bigger.
    Sure, fairy skills are really strong (though one reason for that is precisely because they are currently not damage negative unlike stack heals, right?) but if you could also deal so much more damage than now instead of using them then it might become a lot more conflicting.

    I feel like this might only transfer the problem from one side of the tool kit (stacks) to the other (fairy).

    (And I would argue this would also be the case if the other fairy skills kept their CDs and only fey union would cost gauge charges. It's a skill I really like and wouldn't want to see compromised by the "heal or damage"-paradox.)

    Tbh I don't want to decide between my class' unique kit and damage at all.
    I would like to dps while retaining what makes my job fun and unique and have my dps design complement my healing kit, not be in constant competition with it.

    --

    About the fairy skills costing 30 gauge points instead of having a CD, imo that would only work if we got more gauge charges from using stacks because otherwise I think it might just lower healing capabilities?
    If gauge generation stays the same we'd have the same amount of gauge charges that would have to be stretched thinner because fairy skills and fey union would suddenly compete for the same resources.

    I think it would either lower the efficiency of fey union because we could only use it for shorter durations/on fewer occasions or we might have to forgo other fairy actions in favour of FU, hence less overall healing in either case.
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    Last edited by Loggos; 12-13-2023 at 09:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    Tbh I don't want to decide between my class' unique kit and damage at all.
    I would like to dps while retaining what makes my job fun and unique and have my dps design complement my healing kit, not be in constant competition with it.
    Go play Sage then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    Go play Sage then
    I'm genuinely confused what irked you so much about me mentioning a point that has been widely discussed by many people who love scholar for years (incl. the OP of this thread which whom I agree in the post just before?). Scholar's contradictory kit is a common point of criticism as far as I'm aware.
    Like, it's not that I say scholar is bad anywhere? On the contrary I want it to be *more* scholar-y so I can use the fairy and its aether stack heals more?
    Wanting a job I really like to retain its identity or have its identity strengthened vs. having to sacrifice core parts of its kit for more EDs is pretty much the opposite of wanting to play sage. I think it would help scholar to set itself apart more because it would allow me to use more of the unique kit I mentioned that I very much want to play.

    I was also genuinely interested in the other person's opinion. If they see this differently than I'll gladly read why.


    (With "dps design complement my healing kit" I didn't mean I want to heal while casting damage spells if that's the point of contention here. I just don't want parts of the kit to "fight" against each other the way they do with scholar. I'm not saying anybody has to agree but it's not exactly a controversial or egregious point either I think.)
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    Last edited by Loggos; 12-13-2023 at 09:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    I'm genuinely confused what irked you so much about me mentioning a point that has been widely discussed by many people who love scholar for years (incl. the OP of this thread which whom I agree in the post just before?). Scholar's contradictory kit is a commonly accepted point of criticism as far as I'm aware. Like, it's not that I say scholar is bad anywhere? On the contrary I want it to be *more* scholar-y so I can use the fairy and its aether stack heals more? Genuinely where does this come from.
    Wanting a job I really like to retain its identity or have its identity strengthened vs. having to sacrifice core parts of its kit so I repeatedly press a single button for more EDs is pretty much the opposite of wanting to play sage. I think it would help scholar to set itself apart more from sage because it would allow me to use my *scholar* abilities more often instead of a very simple 100-point damage spell.

    I was also genuinely interested in the other person's opinion. If they see this differently than I'll gladly read why.


    (With "dps design complement my healing kit" I didn't mean I want to heal while doing damage spells if that's the point of contention here. I just don't want parts of the kit to "fight" against each other the way they do with scholar. I'm not saying anybody has to agree but it's not exactly a controversial or egregious point either I think.)
    I main Scholar in Savage/Ultimate and Energy Drain optimization is the biggest reason why myself and other Scholar mains enjoy Scholar. Quite frankly I do not care at all if people don't like the design of Scholar; play something else or ignore the button. I don't want what I enjoy about the job and the thing that lets me spend hundreds of hours to go away because people who don't main the job lose their minds over losing potency, especially when nearly all of these players are not optimizing high end raids to begin with.

    Scholar has had Energy Drain for a decade now. How is that not apart of its identity? We have a barrier healer without it and that's Sage. Losing Energy Drain wouldn't set it apart from Sage at all because Sage is able to vomit its Addersgall heals which are clones of Scholar's aetherflow heals, Scholar would just be able to vomit heals like Sage and not have to think at all about how it optimizes its resources. How interesting. It can also just do that now with no downside if you don't care about optimizing! And if you do, why are you complaining about an aspect of optimization? If you don't like that aspect, play the job that does not have that aspect of optimization.

    The best part is, you can just use your Aetherflow heals if you want to and should when they're needed! ED contributes less than 5-7% of a SCH's total rDPS at the highest levels of optimization, there's no "sacrifice" of your kit that you're doing at all. Being able to adjust my healing plan tactically when resources aren't needed for healing and use them on something that is always needed is the Scholar job fantasy.

    For the "I don't want parts of the kit to fight against each other" part, this is also a part of Scholar; tradeoffs and decision making. This is what makes Scholar fun to play, having to constantly choose what you use because certain things won't be available, and going into anything with a plan while also being able to use your kit effectively. Scholar is the healer with the highest skill ceiling in regards to its total kit, why remove that?
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