7.0 Healer Wishlist

[Nizzi]

Tbh I don't want to decide between my class' unique kit and damage at all.
I would like to dps while retaining what makes my job fun and unique and have my dps design complement my healing kit, not be in constant competition with it.

Go play Sage then

[Loggos]

Go play Sage then

I'm genuinely confused what irked you so much about me mentioning a point that has been widely discussed by many people who love scholar for years (incl. the OP of this thread which whom I agree in the post just before?). Scholar's contradictory kit is a common point of criticism as far as I'm aware.
Like, it's not that I say scholar is bad anywhere? On the contrary I want it to be *more* scholar-y so I can use the fairy and its aether stack heals more?
Wanting a job I really like to retain its identity or have its identity strengthened vs. having to sacrifice core parts of its kit for more EDs is pretty much the opposite of wanting to play sage. I think it would help scholar to set itself apart more because it would allow me to use more of the unique kit I mentioned that I very much want to play.

I was also genuinely interested in the other person's opinion. If they see this differently than I'll gladly read why.


(With "dps design complement my healing kit" I didn't mean I want to heal while casting damage spells if that's the point of contention here. I just don't want parts of the kit to "fight" against each other the way they do with scholar. I'm not saying anybody has to agree but it's not exactly a controversial or egregious point either I think.)

[Nizzi]

I'm genuinely confused what irked you so much about me mentioning a point that has been widely discussed by many people who love scholar for years (incl. the OP of this thread which whom I agree in the post just before?). Scholar's contradictory kit is a commonly accepted point of criticism as far as I'm aware. Like, it's not that I say scholar is bad anywhere? On the contrary I want it to be *more* scholar-y so I can use the fairy and its aether stack heals more? Genuinely where does this come from.
Wanting a job I really like to retain its identity or have its identity strengthened vs. having to sacrifice core parts of its kit so I repeatedly press a single button for more EDs is pretty much the opposite of wanting to play sage. I think it would help scholar to set itself apart more from sage because it would allow me to use my *scholar* abilities more often instead of a very simple 100-point damage spell.

I was also genuinely interested in the other person's opinion. If they see this differently than I'll gladly read why.


(With "dps design complement my healing kit" I didn't mean I want to heal while doing damage spells if that's the point of contention here. I just don't want parts of the kit to "fight" against each other the way they do with scholar. I'm not saying anybody has to agree but it's not exactly a controversial or egregious point either I think.)

I main Scholar in Savage/Ultimate and Energy Drain optimization is the biggest reason why myself and other Scholar mains enjoy Scholar. Quite frankly I do not care at all if people don't like the design of Scholar; play something else or ignore the button. I don't want what I enjoy about the job and the thing that lets me spend hundreds of hours to go away because people who don't main the job lose their minds over losing potency, especially when nearly all of these players are not optimizing high end raids to begin with.

Scholar has had Energy Drain for a decade now. How is that not apart of its identity? We have a barrier healer without it and that's Sage. Losing Energy Drain wouldn't set it apart from Sage at all because Sage is able to vomit its Addersgall heals which are clones of Scholar's aetherflow heals, Scholar would just be able to vomit heals like Sage and not have to think at all about how it optimizes its resources. How interesting. It can also just do that now with no downside if you don't care about optimizing! And if you do, why are you complaining about an aspect of optimization? If you don't like that aspect, play the job that does not have that aspect of optimization.

The best part is, you can just use your Aetherflow heals if you want to and should when they're needed! ED contributes less than 5-7% of a SCH's total rDPS at the highest levels of optimization, there's no "sacrifice" of your kit that you're doing at all. Being able to adjust my healing plan tactically when resources aren't needed for healing and use them on something that is always needed is the Scholar job fantasy.

For the "I don't want parts of the kit to fight against each other" part, this is also a part of Scholar; tradeoffs and decision making. This is what makes Scholar fun to play, having to constantly choose what you use because certain things won't be available, and going into anything with a plan while also being able to use your kit effectively. Scholar is the healer with the highest skill ceiling in regards to its total kit, why remove that?

[Loggos]

I main Scholar in Savage/Ultimate and Energy Drain optimization is the biggest reason why myself and other Scholar mains enjoy Scholar. Quite frankly I do not care at all if people don't like the design of Scholar; play something else or ignore the button. I don't want what I enjoy about the job and the thing that lets me spend hundreds of hours to go away because people who don't main the job lose their minds over losing potency, especially when nearly all of these players are not optimizing high end raids to begin with.

Scholar has had Energy Drain for a decade now. How is that not apart of its identity? We have a barrier healer without it and that's Sage. Losing Energy Drain wouldn't set it apart from Sage at all because Sage is able to vomit its Addersgall heals which are clones of Scholar's aetherflow heals, Scholar would just be able to vomit heals like Sage and not have to think at all about how it optimizes its resources. How interesting. It can also just do that now with no downside if you don't care about optimizing! And if you do, why are you complaining about an aspect of optimization? If you don't like that aspect, play the job that does not have that aspect of optimization.

The best part is, you can just use your Aetherflow heals if you want to and should when they're needed! ED contributes less than 5-7% of a SCH's total rDPS at the highest levels of optimization, there's no "sacrifice" of your kit that you're doing at all. Being able to adjust my healing plan tactically when resources aren't needed for healing and use them on something that is always needed is the Scholar job fantasy.

For the "I don't want parts of the kit to fight against each other" part, this is also a part of Scholar; tradeoffs and decision making. This is what makes Scholar fun to play, having to constantly choose what you use because certain things won't be available, and going into anything with a plan while also being able to use your kit effectively. Scholar is the healer with the highest skill ceiling in regards to its total kit, why remove that?

Like I said you don't have to agree. I never claimed at any point that my opinion is the end-all-be-all, just that I personally would like this since this is... a wish list thread.

I'm just really confused why that one quote of mine in particular provoked this kind of response when it just very tamely mentioned something that is a common point of discussion wrt scholar.

Anyways, you can say you love the way ED is currently designed, I can say I don't particularly enjoy it. Neither of this means we don't like scholar. We just seem to like different things about it. It's perfectly legitimate that ED is a spell that you love a lot. But it's also not the only spell in scholar's kit. There are many skills and tools, so it's normal that people like different aspects about its playstyle.

That's why this whole "play sage" thing is rather nonsensical to me. I personally don't happen to enjoy one skill (and one that directly competes with other parts of the kit that I enjoy) so I should just throw the whole job out.

There is a reason why I don't play sage. I like scholar's skills as a whole. I like the pet gameplay (sth sage doesn't have).

For me personally (again subjective opinion) ED in particular is just not the satisfying gameplay option that makes me thrilled to have that strategic risk-reward decision between several healing skills with varying functions on the one hand and very straight-forward 100 damage points on the other, even if it was there from the start.
If the trade-off was something different I might also feel differently about it.

Yes I understand that these damage points matter in raiding - but mattering in terms of pure numbers still doesn't mean the gameplay itself is *fun* for everybody.
And it shouldn't be controversial to say "I just don't happen to have much fun with this".

(To clarify this because you mentioned optimisation and planning and drew the conclusion that I don't care about either of them even though I never said I didn't: The fact that optimisation means just this one very simple action is what I don't personally enjoy. I know I don't have to use it. But then it is not optimised. I do like optimisation as well as planning and strategising, which is why I care so much about them being fun to me. For me ED is functional but not fun. If I could have an aether stack dump that does something I find more engaging while optimising my aetherflow usage then that would be a win-win for me. Again, that's just what I would enjoy.)

None of this means that you can't have a blast with it. And again obviously you are free to disagree in any way and say so. But it could have been a bit more convincing than "you don't like this one skill, go play sage".

Me mentioning this in a random thread on the English forum that is known to have very little influence if at all on the dev team won't take anything away from anybody either.