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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    In the end, people put a lot more effort than other (and also put a lot of their finances, I am not the only one) so yeah, it does make sense people should put either the same effort or take longer to get it, larges are the "housing end game" no matter if people like it or not really, and as I mentioned multiple times, SE agrees with that vision, that's why they are so limited.
    A lot more effort? It's a lottery. You sign up and pray. No effort required.

    You can disagree with the request in the thread all you want but saying it takes effort to be a home owner is just plain wrong.
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    A lot more effort? It's a lottery. You sign up and pray. No effort required.

    You can disagree with the request in the thread all you want but saying it takes effort to be a home owner is just plain wrong.
    If you say so lmao, it's ok if you dont know much about housing and even less multiowning, I dont blame you, but I aint gonna go in details about explaining how things work.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    A lot more effort? It's a lottery. You sign up and pray. No effort required.

    You can disagree with the request in the thread all you want but saying it takes effort to be a home owner is just plain wrong.
    What are you considering when you claim it takes no effort to be a home owner? There's more than just clicking the placard to enter the lottery. You have to meet the requirements to be eligible to purchase as well.

    There are a large number of players that ignore GC ranks - until they want to purchase housing and find out they can't until they either reach 2nd Lt. with their character or they get a FC to rank 6. For a multi-house owner, the process has to be repeated with each house being purchased.

    It may not be a huge amount of effort per house but those players are choosing to put more effort into obtaining the additional housing. If multiple house ownership were standard for the game, you can bet that players would start doing the "I've already met the requirements to purchase on my main, my alt shouldn't have to repeat the process" complaint.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    If you say so lmao, it's ok if you dont know much about housing and even less multiowning, I dont blame you, but I aint gonna go in details about explaining how things work.
    I mean, given that most people just want a personal house for themselves and not a multi-home and/or shell FC empire, yeah it is about the luck of the lotto.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    What are you considering when you claim it takes no effort to be a home owner? There's more than just clicking the placard to enter the lottery. You have to meet the requirements to be eligible to purchase as well.

    There are a large number of players that ignore GC ranks - until they want to purchase housing and find out they can't until they either reach 2nd Lt. with their character or they get a FC to rank 6. For a multi-house owner, the process has to be repeated with each house being purchased.

    It may not be a huge amount of effort per house but those players are choosing to put more effort into obtaining the additional housing. If multiple house ownership were standard for the game, you can bet that players would start doing the "I've already met the requirements to purchase on my main, my alt shouldn't have to repeat the process" complaint.
    Thank you, said it better than I would lol
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    What are you considering when you claim it takes no effort to be a home owner? There's more than just clicking the placard to enter the lottery. You have to meet the requirements to be eligible to purchase as well.

    There are a large number of players that ignore GC ranks - until they want to purchase housing and find out they can't until they either reach 2nd Lt. with their character or they get a FC to rank 6. For a multi-house owner, the process has to be repeated with each house being purchased.

    It may not be a huge amount of effort per house but those players are choosing to put more effort into obtaining the additional housing. If multiple house ownership were standard for the game, you can bet that players would start doing the "I've already met the requirements to purchase on my main, my alt shouldn't have to repeat the process" complaint.
    So the "no effort required" at the end I agree was wrong.
    The initial point of this though about it being a lot more effort is the main thing. The requirements are the same for everyone. So yes it is just about the lottery at that point.
    Multi-owners are the ones choosing to do it again.

    Even if they add a ton of new large houses it may still take some people just as long as it took someone beforehand to get it. Is that considered as much effort? No, that's just RNG.
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  7. #67
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    Adding artificial scarcity to something like housing in an MMO is dumb.

    The devs should've fixed it forever ago, but they directly profit from it so they won't. It keeps people subscribed during content droughts. It's also why no one should take YoshiP seriously when he tells people to go play another game during those times. He knows full well there's a subset of players who basically can't.
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    If some of these posters just admit to that because thats clearly whats going on, id have a lot more respect to the honesty instead of trying to play these verbal logistics into why the current system shouldnt be changed.
    I have a theory, may be completely off base, but perhaps a portion of the anti-instanced housing crew are folks who are gaming the current system and using shell FCs to own multiple plots. Like, we're on the same world, I'm sure you've noticed FC wards with plots all owned by FCs with the same tag that all admit to being part of the same group. There are people who admit to it, creating FCs to own plots in FC only wards. There are also people who say that to them it brings them satisfaction, owning all those plots just because it's like a "high score" to them. Obviously people like that might be opposed to instanced housing because it "devalues" their high score because then anyone could have a house.

    All I hear is them saying "you all wanted a fair system now it is, deal with it." in regards to lottery and ignoring the primary complaint that remains scarcity or lack of accessibility.
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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended_Demon View Post
    I have a theory, may be completely off base, but perhaps a portion of the anti-instanced housing crew are folks who are gaming the current system and using shell FCs to own multiple plots. Like, we're on the same world, I'm sure you've noticed FC wards with plots all owned by FCs with the same tag that all admit to being part of the same group. There are people who admit to it, creating FCs to own plots in FC only wards. There are also people who say that to them it brings them satisfaction, owning all those plots just because it's like a "high score" to them. Obviously people like that might be opposed to instanced housing because it "devalues" their high score because then anyone could have a house.

    All I hear is them saying "you all wanted a fair system now it is, deal with it." in regards to lottery and ignoring the primary complaint that remains scarcity or lack of accessibility.
    All I hear is them saying "you all wanted a fair system now it is, deal with it.
    And that's exactly what people asked for and was going to "save housing" and "make it fair"

    There it is.

    Enjoy.
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  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    And that's exactly what people asked for and was going to "save housing" and "make it fair"

    There it is.

    Enjoy.
    Mhmm. Sure.
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