Samurai Double Dot?

[ICountFrom0]

...You only have the one DoT, though, so unless you mean something very different from Iron Jaws, that would be wholly useless, except in that you'd then reapply Higan only at 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, and 7 minutes.

First post includes the idea of having two dots.
Folks are quick to shoot it down.
I add the idea of having the dots function as per iron jaw as well, so the dots are self extending instead of self replacing, to see if that would be enough to make the idea viable.

... but somehow, I lost you with my suggestion?

[HikariKurosawa]

Dots are not fun compared to double setsugekka on single target. The whole appealing thing about samurai single target is spamming as much setsugekka as possible. Using a tsubame cooldown on a dot is so much less exciting. even if we got another charge of tsubame, even if we had infinite charges of tsubame lol.

Even in AoE, I'd prefer for them to give us the AoE version of yukikaze that was featured in the endwalker preview, and have it transform the initial cast of higanbana into a conal aoe if used as the next action. Opposed to having tsubame turn higanbana into a conal aoe. It's just far more exciting to use tsubame on big damage abilities like tenka gouken or setsugekka.

The purpose kaeshi higanbana serves is to get us thinking about how abilities are used and what potencies are worth it. It's good as is and changing it would be an over-simplification of the combat system I think. Plenty of other jobs have abilities that are not worth using in any pve situation. Mainly healers, but there are others too. Using hyoton as a ninja is always a potency loss for example.

[SoloD007]

Dots are not fun compared to double setsugekka on single target. The whole appealing thing about samurai single target is spamming as much setsugekka as possible. Using a tsubame cooldown on a dot is so much less exciting. even if we got another charge of tsubame, even if we had infinite charges of tsubame lol.

Even in AoE, I'd prefer for them to give us the AoE version of yukikaze that was featured in the endwalker preview, and have it transform the initial cast of higanbana into a conal aoe if used as the next action. Opposed to having tsubame turn higanbana into a conal aoe. It's just far more exciting to use tsubame on big damage abilities like tenka gouken or setsugekka.

The purpose kaeshi higanbana serves is to get us thinking about how abilities are used and what potencies are worth it. It's good as is and changing it would be an over-simplification of the combat system I think. Plenty of other jobs have abilities that are not worth using in any pve situation. Mainly healers, but there are others too. Using hyoton as a ninja is always a potency loss for example.

The idea of Kaeshi: Higanbana re-worked into a conal AOE is starting to look better and better now (In my own opinion) haha.

[Shurrikhan]

First post includes the idea of having two dots.
Folks are quick to shoot it down.
I add the idea of having the dots function as per iron jaw as well, so the dots are self extending instead of self replacing, to see if that would be enough to make the idea viable.

... but somehow, I lost you with my suggestion?

If applying one applies the other, too, then you still effectively have just one DoT action after your opener, just like Bard, from the 3rd GCD onward, has only one DoT action, Iron Jaws.

The appeal, yes, is lost on me. I also see no reason why you'd want to enforce Kaeshi: Higan even in single-target in the first place.