Samurai Double Dot?

[ICountFrom0]

What if SAM got something like the Iron Jaw on bard, so that any time you inflict any DoT, all DoT timers are extended to a cap of 2x original duration.

[Shurrikhan]

What if SAM got something like the Iron Jaw on bard, so that any time you inflict any DoT, all DoT timers are extended to a cap of 2x original duration.

...You only have the one DoT, though, so unless you mean something very different from Iron Jaws, that would be wholly useless, except in that you'd then reapply Higan only at 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, and 7 minutes.

Again, if you want Kaeshi: Higanbana and Kaeshi: Tenka Goken to actually see use in serious content, it'll still only be in multi-target situations, but you can make those feasible choices by just...

1. Returning Tenka Goken's increased damage to the first target struck.
   
   In 2-target situations, Tenka Goken currently has a ppgcd of 424.4 across HYHJG+Tg (6 GCDs) and Kaeshi:TG a ppgcd of 449.5 over its 7 GCDs, while Midare Setsugekka has a ppgcd of 440.7 over HYHJGHSKMsg (9 GCDs) and Kaeshi: Midare Setsugekka has a ppgcd of 492.7 over its 10 GCDs. Simply returning Tenka to something like 450 potency for the first target struck and 300 to each thereafter would make Tenka and Kaeshi: Tenka competitive in single-target.
   
   With the further buff below, though, that may overshoot slightly to make focus-targeting via using Midare instead in 2-target situations come at a slight cost (i.e., outright entice use of Tenka in 2-target).
   
   
2. Having Tsubame-Gaeshi's instead hold 6 charges, each regenerated over 20 seconds, and consume charge 1 each per Sen of the Iaijutsu thus repeated (1 charge for Kaeshi: Higan, 2 for Kaeshi: Tenka, 3 for Kaeshi: Midare).
   
   In this way, Kaeshi: Higanbana would only use up 20s of TG's recharge time, at which point the immediacy of a double-DoT atop a potential extra Kaeshi: Midare within the given fight can make it a rather viable choice.
   
   OR
   
   Have Tsubame-Gaeshi refund a portion of its cooldown if used to repeat an Iaijutsu of less than 3 Sen (e.g., for a resultant 30s for Higan, 45s for Tenka).
   
   That would just be a softer variation of the above.

[ICountFrom0]

...You only have the one DoT, though, so unless you mean something very different from Iron Jaws, that would be wholly useless, except in that you'd then reapply Higan only at 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, and 7 minutes.

First post includes the idea of having two dots.
Folks are quick to shoot it down.
I add the idea of having the dots function as per iron jaw as well, so the dots are self extending instead of self replacing, to see if that would be enough to make the idea viable.

... but somehow, I lost you with my suggestion?

[HikariKurosawa]

Dots are not fun compared to double setsugekka on single target. The whole appealing thing about samurai single target is spamming as much setsugekka as possible. Using a tsubame cooldown on a dot is so much less exciting. even if we got another charge of tsubame, even if we had infinite charges of tsubame lol.

Even in AoE, I'd prefer for them to give us the AoE version of yukikaze that was featured in the endwalker preview, and have it transform the initial cast of higanbana into a conal aoe if used as the next action. Opposed to having tsubame turn higanbana into a conal aoe. It's just far more exciting to use tsubame on big damage abilities like tenka gouken or setsugekka.

The purpose kaeshi higanbana serves is to get us thinking about how abilities are used and what potencies are worth it. It's good as is and changing it would be an over-simplification of the combat system I think. Plenty of other jobs have abilities that are not worth using in any pve situation. Mainly healers, but there are others too. Using hyoton as a ninja is always a potency loss for example.

[SoloD007]

Dots are not fun compared to double setsugekka on single target. The whole appealing thing about samurai single target is spamming as much setsugekka as possible. Using a tsubame cooldown on a dot is so much less exciting. even if we got another charge of tsubame, even if we had infinite charges of tsubame lol.

Even in AoE, I'd prefer for them to give us the AoE version of yukikaze that was featured in the endwalker preview, and have it transform the initial cast of higanbana into a conal aoe if used as the next action. Opposed to having tsubame turn higanbana into a conal aoe. It's just far more exciting to use tsubame on big damage abilities like tenka gouken or setsugekka.

The purpose kaeshi higanbana serves is to get us thinking about how abilities are used and what potencies are worth it. It's good as is and changing it would be an over-simplification of the combat system I think. Plenty of other jobs have abilities that are not worth using in any pve situation. Mainly healers, but there are others too. Using hyoton as a ninja is always a potency loss for example.

The idea of Kaeshi: Higanbana re-worked into a conal AOE is starting to look better and better now (In my own opinion) haha.

[Shurrikhan]

First post includes the idea of having two dots.
Folks are quick to shoot it down.
I add the idea of having the dots function as per iron jaw as well, so the dots are self extending instead of self replacing, to see if that would be enough to make the idea viable.

... but somehow, I lost you with my suggestion?

If applying one applies the other, too, then you still effectively have just one DoT action after your opener, just like Bard, from the 3rd GCD onward, has only one DoT action, Iron Jaws.

The appeal, yes, is lost on me. I also see no reason why you'd want to enforce Kaeshi: Higan even in single-target in the first place.